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    Quote Originally Posted by InvaderNat View Post
    Joe I'm well versed with what Jobbik actually stand for, I suggest you stop getting information from the MSM or wikipedia -
    The info on pan-Turanism comes from an article posted on Jobbik's website by Gábor Vona himself (if you'd bothered to read what I linked to in the OP you'd know this). If you think it's a reasonable, rational presentation of 'pro-European' politics, then you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes a pro-European party.

    Jobbik's views on the Treaty of Trianon is also no secret. They want 'their' land back, and if they start employing military means to get it, which they'll have to, it'll mean NATO will have to respond with force.

    Personally, I'd rather avoid that. I dare say it's very pro-European to want to.

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    This article says nothing about separating Hungary and Europe, but rather that they want a friendly relationship with Asia Minor - Not what I would do but still fine. [/QUOTE]

    They see Hungary as a Turkic country and want to make Hungary the fifth column of this horde within Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    The info on pan-Turanism comes from an article posted on Jobbik's website by Gábor Vona himself (if you'd bothered to read what I linked to in the OP you'd know this). If you think it's a reasonable, rational presentation of 'pro-European' politics, then you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes a pro-European party.
    Um...yes...thats why I put it there. Perhaps I could have made that clearer, sorry. The point being that you used it as evidence of their anti-Europeanism - which is ironic considering their apparently so 'Nazi' and 'supremacist' according to the MSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Jobbik's views on the Treaty of Trianon is also no secret. They want 'their' land back, and if they start employing military means to get it, which they'll have to, it'll mean NATO will have to respond with force.

    Personally, I'd rather avoid that. I dare say it's very pro-European to want to.
    I don't concern myself with squabbles over historical land claims, that's for them alone to settle.

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    Originally Posted by InvaderNat
    - They don't believe in Democracy?
    Gábor Vona:

    http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungaria...democracy.html

    "We are not communists, we are not fascists, we are not national socialists, but we are not democrats either."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    They see Hungary as a Turkic country and want to make Hungary the fifth column of this horde within Europe.
    So, they say nothing about some sort of open-border relationship with them. Simply a political alliance to strengthen their nation's position in the Turkic region and in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvaderNat View Post
    Um...yes...thats why I put it there. Perhaps I could have made that clearer, sorry.
    You posted it in the midst of my posting.

    The point being that you used it as evidence of their anti-Europeanism - which is ironic considering their apparently so 'Nazi' and 'supremacist' according to the MSM.
    Why is it ironic? The fascist Arrow Cross during WW2 was also pan-Turanic.

    I'm don't concern myself with squabbles over historical land claims, that's for them alone to settle.
    What you dismiss as 'historical land claims' helped start both World Wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvaderNat View Post
    So, they say nothing about some sort of open-border relationship with them. Simply a political alliance to strengthen their nation's position in the Turkic region and in Europe.
    Erm, and you see nothing wrong with aligning with Turks to strengthen their position in Europe I suppose? 'Simply' indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    That speech is a criticism of Liberal Democracy (i.e. left-wing democracy), not democracy itself.

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    Why is it ironic? The fascist Arrow Cross during WW2 was also pan-Turanic.
    It's ironic because people make them out to be hateful neo-nazi's yet they openly seek bonds with non-European, non-Christian nations. Like many Eastern European nations (such as Latvia) they have a deep hatred of Communism (for obvious reasons) thus many still hold the National Socialists of the past as something of bulwarks against that ideology. Probably why they use it as one of their symbols.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    What you dismiss as 'historical land claims' helped start both World Wars.
    Yeah, I hardly think Jobbik is interested in going to war with their neighbors over it - this isn't 1914 or 1939.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvaderNat View Post
    That speech is a criticism of Liberal Democracy (i.e. left-wing democracy), not democracy itself.
    Huh?? What part of 'we are not democrats' do you not understand?

    It's ironic because people make them out to be hateful neo-nazi's yet they openly seek bonds with non-European, non-Christian nations.
    Again, it's not ironic at all. The Hungarian fascists during WW2 were also a pan-Turanic party.

    Yeah, I hardly think Jobbik is interested in going to war with their neighbors over it - this isn't 1914 or 1939.
    Then why do they show Hungary with pre-Trianon borders in their symbols (such as the one I posted in the OP) and why do their politicians make statements like this:

    http://www.politics.hu/20090615/jobb...ianon-borders/

    Hungary’s radical nationalist Jobbik party plans to fight for the toppling of borders set by the 1920 Trianon treaty, newly elected MEP Csanad Szegedi said on Saturday.

    Jobbik considers it one of its main targets that “the Trianon borders should be dropped within a few generations or as soon as possible,” Szegedi told a Trianon memorial meeting organised in Budapest by the Sixty-Four Counties Youth Movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Huh?? What part of 'we are not democrats' do you not understand?
    In the context of the speech he was referring to liberal democracy, this is the problem with media today - they are constantly taking things out of context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Again, it's not ironic at all. The Hungarian fascists during WW2 were also a pan-Turanic party.
    It is ironic because the MSM keep misleading people into thinking there a neo-nazi group - thus implying that they're anti-Semitic and hateful towards other races.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Then why do they show Hungary with pre-Trianon borders in their symbols (such as the one I posted in the OP) and why do their politicians make statements like this:

    http://www.politics.hu/20090615/jobb...ianon-borders/
    If they think they have legitimate claim to lands they once held then they have every right to fight for it - Politically-Speaking of course (which is their intention), not militarily.

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