Is Hungary's nationalist Jobbik party a threat to Europe?

[Joe McCarthy]

My arse. The Europeans destroyed themselves which led to America inheriting the world.

The Nazis associated healthy race feeling with warmongering, mass murder, and general lunacy. This did us no good at all domestically.

Nowadays Jobbik plays a similar role. They give moderate nationalist movements a bad name.

The US was also in position, if it wanted to, to play a major role in the world without WW2. It could have done so after WW1 and didn't. The events set in motion by Hitler though forced us to take on the burden of global leadership, and it's a pain in the ass.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Our lands must be united to the motherland at all cost.

[Rollo]

A problem with restoring Hungary's old borders is that they'd be outnumbered by foreigners in their own country. You can't really kick them out unless you're willing to pay them compensation so that they can start fresh somewhere else.
Then there's also the problem that most probably wouldn't want to leave.

And as for the whole Turanism pipe dream, if they really believe in that rubbish then why aren't they abandoning the city and living in Yurts? Jobbik should suggest that, then we'll see how nomadic these Turanics really are.

Pre Trianon the Hungarian population was a lot larger In those regions. I think that today, a lot of the people living there are just Romanianised/Slavicised Hungarians.

As for the Turanism, its unfortunate that there are such conflicting accounts of who the Magyars really are. I don't really believe they're Turkic, more likely a tribe of Scytho-Sarmatians who lived under Hunnic and post Hunnic rule, like many peoples including the Goths.

I would compare their admiration of the Huns and the Hunnic empire, to the admiration of Romance people for the Romans. The Magyars are a successor group to that empire, along with the other people whom Atilla once ruled over. In the same way that Italy, Rome, Spain, Portugal and Romania are successors to the Roman legacy, If you get my drift.

Also, I don't think the world is moving into a future where the current alliances and economies will even be able to sustain themselves. Sure, if Hungary tried to gain its borders today unaided, it wouldn't succeed. But after the inevitable EU and US collapse, it could be possible

[The Lawspeaker]

From the horse's mouth:

Gabor Vona: Turanism Instead of Euro-Atlantic Alliance!


During the recent past decades of Hungarian public life, Jobbik was the first to talk decisively about the idea of Hungary turning towards the East. There were voices raised, here and there, and feeble attempts which never amounted to much, but it was we, the Jobbik, that proposed a consistent program of policies and showed the way, pointing East.

Many people, of course, only perceived this kind of thinking as a sort of romantic idealism about the ancient origin of Hungarians; of course that is part of it, and it is what gave the impetus to the unfolding of this kind of ideology. However, it is not that backward looking nostalgia that is the most important aspect of this ideology. So, why is Jobbik so much in favour of Hungary turning towards the East, and in fact, what does this all mean?

Hungary stands desperately lonesome in the arena of world politics. Because of the problems we face in international politics, we are in dire need of close and supportive alliances. However, we have no allies. And, no one should foolishly believe that the attempts of the last 20 years to corral us into NATO and the EU, have alleviated the pains of our isolation. Our seemingly benign alliance with the Euro-Atlantic community, which appeared to offer a protective umbrella, has put us in an even more indentured and powerless position. Now, we are not just alone, but we are also obliged to stay that way. We are prevented from building independent, key relationships which would have the expected positive benefits in our cultural, social and economic life. We have to break out of this situation, but unfortunately, the trap we find ourselves in is made stronger by the actions of the current leading parties, Fidesz and MSZP, who are so in sync with Euro-Atlantic interests that they either do not notice the situation we are in, or if they do, they are incapable of doing anything for the advancement of Hungarian national interests.

The Jobbik party is the only political force in Hungary, which has the freedom to develop a strategy for foreign policy not constrained and influenced by financial or political circles, but based solely on the pursuit of national interests. We are convinced that only the East provides a break-out solution for our nation. . And what immense opportunities this opening holds for us!

We, Hungarians are the most westerly of the Eastern people. If we put aside the lies about our Finno-Ugric origin, and only profess that we are the descendents of Atilla, we would suddenly find hundreds of millions ready to form a common basis for alliance. In fact, there are about two hundred million people living in the world today, who can say that they are descendants of Atilla. It is not possible, of course, to build a political strategy based on this fact alone. However, if we take a look at the countries from Bulgaria to Turkey and all the way across to Eastern Asia, we realise that we, Hungarians could have a lot of common political objectives with these countries. We come to realise that an alliance based and developed on the principles of Turanism instead of the Euro-Atlantic alliance would be more effective in serving the needs and interests of our nation.

In order to avoid misunderstandings, we need to clarify that this would in no way mean that Hungary should separate from Europe. In fact, what we propose would mean a strengthening of our position in Europe, as Hungary could thus become the Western bastion of a Turanic alliance, as well as its representative within the European Union. We also need not worry about the fact that as a Christian nation, we would be dealing with non-Christian nations. Living a non-Christian way of life is already a common, wide-spread practice within the EU. Besides which, we can safely say that a true Muslim believer or any other true believer in their own country is closer to God the Almighty, than non-practicing Christians inhabiting Europe today. If Hungary wants to regain its positions as a strong player on the stage of international politics it should not head in the direction showed by Fidesz and MSZP, the clownish antics exhibited within the EU, but instead membership in a Turanic alliance , or if needed, its leading role and initiative in forming such an alliance.

As Jobbik party president, I am now taking the first step by declaring here in Hungary and before the whole world: I am Hungarian, grandson of Atilla! Come what may, I am ready

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Anyway, Jobbik is a threat to corruption, and a threat to injustice.

If you think a Nationalist party that simply wants a better future for their people is a threat to Europe, well then you are stupid, arent you?

[Hess]

I think Jobbik doesn't hate Europe, they just hate what it's become. They may take it a bit too far with the "I am the grandson of Atilla" stuff, but I think their intentions are good (at least I hope so).

[The Lawspeaker]

I think Jobbik doesn't hate Europe, they just hate what it's become. They may take it a bit too far with the "I am the grandson of Atilla" stuff, but I think their intentions are good (at least I hope so).

I doubt: pro-Turk, pro-Islam is treason and a lethal threat to the rest of Europe. Quoting Gabor Vona (Jobbik):

Living a non-Christian way of life is already a common, wide-spread practice within the EU. Besides which, we can safely say that a true Muslim believer or any other true believer in their own country is closer to God the Almighty, than non-practicing Christians inhabiting Europe today.

Now we know what they stand for. Let's redo 1956 before it gets out of hand again. Send the tanks to Budapest.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Now we know what they stand for.Let's redo 1956 before it gets out of hand again.

You doesn't your fat ass come to Hungary and do it yourself, Mr Keyboard warrior?

You don't have a clue about what you are saying, you are an utter imbecile, with no comprehension for matters that aren't pissing or shitting.

Your nation is harbouring many Turks and Muslims, you filthy hypocrite.

[The Lawspeaker]

You doesn't your fat ass come to Hungary and do it yourself, Mr Keyboard warrior?

You don't have a clue about what you are saying, you are an utter imbecile, with no comprehension for matters that aren't pissing or shitting.

Get back to bloody Central Asia.

[Rollo]

The Nazis associated healthy race feeling with warmongering, mass murder, and general lunacy. This did us no good at all domestically.

Nowadays Jobbik plays a similar role. They give moderate nationalist movements a bad name.

The US was also in position, if it wanted to, to play a major role in the world without WW2. It could have done so after WW1 and didn't. The events set in motion by Hitler though forced us to take on the burden of global leadership, and it's a pain in the ass.

Hahahaha. You seriously believe Roosevelt didn't want war? I refer you to my earlier post, which you didnt bother answering.

I trust you have read the Polish foreign ministry's documents that were captured by the Germans before the Poles could destroy them during the invasion? And that you have also read Germany's generous proposal to Poland over the Danzig problem, that was insanely refused?

Roosevelt was a failure, so he turned the attention from his domestic failures abroad to International politics. You see? This Is why the US is In full speed devolution, because since Roosevelt your government has been stirring up trouble away from home so as to stop Americans realising what Is happening. It's an age old trick