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    Quote Originally Posted by Inese View Post
    Hello. I have no study about green eyes in Latvia but i was living in my country for most time of my life and i can tell you that i never knew much people with green eyes ----- never 20%!! Your old study who is 100 years old is wrong that is what i can tell you very sure okay?? A study is a study and living there is very more meaningful. Most people have shades of blue eyes or a little mixed, but my opinion is that green eyes have not more than 2-3% of Latvians!!

    And with green eyes i understand this
    Well, that's something like hazel, or dark green. That would be probably 7 on the Martin's scale. However many light-mixed (10-12) or dark-mixed (8-9) eyes have green shades.

    Perhpas 20% is too high. From what I can gather Letts got:

    1. Pure blues (15-16) reach 25%, and together with pure grays (13-14 on the Martin's scale) they total 33.3%

    2. However, total light eyes equal 57-59%. Now, this category apart from pure blue and pure grey eyes, encompasses also all shades of light-mixed eyes, that is green-grey/blue and brown-grey/blue.

    3. Together, these light-mixed shades equal (57/59% - 33.3%) = 24-26%

    Now, most of these 26% are mixed-blues, but some proportion should be green-grey/blue. If we take approx one third of that number as our pale greens we will get about 9%. As for the remaining 15 % - these are dark eyes. Out of these 15% - some are dark green and hazel (7-9 on the Martin's scale), but some are brown. If we take one third again, and assume its our dark green frequency, we will get 5%. Add it up with the 9% you get about 14%.

    Look, definitely dark green eyes, like on the pic you posted, do not account for more than 5%. But together with other light-mixed green shades, the frequency has to be well over 10%, perhaps approaching 20%.


    Never!! Visit Latvia and look yourself if you dont trust me. Or listen to Karl!! What Karl says is right!! I have not seen more Latvians with green eyes like Karl in Estonian people. Maximum 10 people.
    First of all, Karl, was talking about Estonia, which is different, speaks a different language, and's got a different history (dating back to 3000 BC). You can't lump Latvia and Finnic countries into same category, coz they are clearly not the same. Not just geographically or linguistically. Besides, what you take for green is clearly the dark green, hazel shade - most likely 7th on the Martin's scale. That shade is indeed quite rare in Northern Europe, but by no means it accounts for all shades of green.

    While I agree, that particular hazel, or dark green shade can reach 3-5% in various North Euro populations, there are still many other light green shades which fall in the dark-mixed (8-9) and light-mixed category (Martin's 10-12), and by most people would still considered some sort of "green", whether light-green, blue-green or grey-green.
    Last edited by Jarl; 07-12-2009 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inese View Post
    Melanin is always bad it makes peoples eyes and skin swarthy. But okay some like it..... ^_^
    I think we should just exterminate any European who has melanin.

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    I've got green eyes.

    I don't know if I'm 'Nordic' or not though. I thought green eyes were most usually predominant in the British Isles and celtic communities.

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    I've read green eyes can be Celtic and Germanic.

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    It's probably true. I don't know. I don't see many green eyes in people really.

    I see blue eyes much more often.

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    The thing with green eyes is how to define it.

    You have people who will say only the purest green is green, and others will consider any colour in-between.

    <sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Rafnsson_44-0"></sup>Among White Americans, green eyes are most common among those of Celtic and Germanic ancestry, about 16 percent <sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-45">[46]</sup> . It can also be found in parts of West Asia, South Asia, and North Africa. This eye color is the least common found among humans, with the exceptions of rare eye mutations, that can create black, red, and other eye colors.
    Wikipedia also went on to show this photo of a green eye.



    Which to me is blue. That is my daughters eye colour, and I classify her as having blue eyes.

    EDIT: Just checked. Hers are ever so slightly darker in hue.
    Last edited by Beorn; 07-12-2009 at 02:58 PM.

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    That doesn't look blue to me.


    What colour do you see in this?


    Last edited by Jägerstaffel; 07-12-2009 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jägerzen View Post
    I'd call that mixed blue and hazel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jägerzen View Post
    That doesn't look blue to me.


    What colour do you see in this?


    It's rather blue-mixed, I read once that such "brown" area around pupil means that some of ancestors(parents) had brown eyes

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    My eyes often appear as green, but after I made a computer photo for iris diagnostic (kind of alternative diagnostic) they appeared to be just light blue with yellow around the pupil (father is brown eyed). So, I don't know if that is still considered as "green" genetically, but guess that is the case with 90% of the green eyed people. I've never seen someone with pure green eyes.
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