Who is White to you? Multiple choice.

[Grumpy Cat]

Persian is an Indo-European language, and with the exception of small Arab and Turkic populations, Iranians are an Indo-European people.

[dfot]

any is as much absurd as wanting to deny that some Lebanese , Mexican and Iranian are actually white , I don't see the scandal.
For example this woman is Iranian and still looks white/caucasian/european to me.

You need to learn how to take beautiful people from white people. That woman, which has passed through a plastic surgery in order to hide her asiatic-hooky nose, is not white. Let alone her odd eyes and thick obviously made brows. Look at her kinfolk and you'll see what she is able to conceive.

Of course, white can be considered a subjective term and you can call her white if you want; however, europeans is for real.

[Goidelic]

any is as much absurd as wanting to deny that some Lebanese , Mexican and Iranian are actually white , I don't see the scandal.
For example this woman is Iranian and still looks white/caucasian/european to me.

She looks mainly Arabid and has light Middle Eastern skin tone pigmentation. Plenty of people from the Middle East could be considered in the 21st century terminology nowadays "white" in America and elsewhere, but they will never be considered European; regardless if some may look like pseudo-Hallstatts, Anglo-Saxons, Bruenns, Borrebies, Atlantids or Keltic Nordids or other Nordish individuals etc.

As long as their ancestors have lived predominantly in the Middle East for 500 years or more, and happened to inherit some "archaic white looking Northern Euro atavism," suffer some "Germanic-lookalike mutation", depigmentation, Germanic-looking rufosity they have, making them appear "Central-West/North Euroish" they still aren't European genetically and to be qualified as such.

No one in the heart of the Middle East will ever cluster with someone from Europe, including Southern Europe; only unless that Middle Eastern person has recent ancestry from a place in Europe or vice versa, otherwise this is impossible.

[The Lawspeaker]

Persian is an Indo-European language, and with the exception of small Arab and Turkic populations, Iranians are an Indo-European people.

But their culture isn't European. Neither is their history, arts and religion.

[Rhobot]

Most likely a "European-looking" Persian is more closely related to other Persians than to Europeans. "Near Eastern-looking" people in Sicily or the Greek islands are probably more closely related to northern Europeans than is a fair-skinned, light-eyed Persian.
Culture and religion are also important (There is a reason why many consider Georgians and Armenians "European" even though their homelands are largely outside the generally accepted boundaries of Europe, but do not do the same for Turks.)

[Goidelic]

Most likely a "European-looking" Persian is more closely related to other Persians than to Europeans. "Near Eastern-looking" people in Sicily or the Greek islands are probably more closely related to northern Europeans than is a fair-skinned, light-eyed Persian.
Culture and religion are also important (There is a reason why many consider Georgians and Armenians "European" even though their homelands are largely outside the generally accepted boundaries of Europe, but do not do the same for Turks.)

I'd agree with you that "European-looking" Persians are more closely related to other Persians. As far as the "Near Eastern-looking" Sicilians or Greeks being closer to Northern Europeans than Persians, I suppose you may have a point and might be partially right, but then again such a Persian could have recent European ancestry, but that's an entirely different story.

As far as Georgians and Armenians being European I don't think so. There are some Slavic Russian and Soviet Volga Caucasus ethnic German minorities leftover living in Armenia and Georgia, which could account for some Nordish-looking Armenians and Georgians, that are mixed or wholly of those minorities. However, most ethnic Armenians and Georgians, have Armenid traits some have even Orientalid, Iranid and Berberid influences from other Middle Eastern invasions, their Eastern Orthodox Christianity, which is basically Oriental Orthodoxy is also different from the European Balkan East Orthodox Christianity sect like Greeks and Bulgarians. In fact, Muslim Bosniaks and Albanians are more European than Georgians and Armenians, both culturally and genetically. As they show no recent links to South Asian/Caucasus populations, despite being secular Atheist Muslim.

[Rhobot]

As for Armenians and Georgians, they are clearly not European in a strict sense, but they are different in religion and culture from Arabs, Turks and Persians. That is why some people perceive them as European.
You are right about Balkan Muslims being more European genetically than people from the Caucasus. Bosniaks are also more European genetically than Greeks or southern Italians (as measured by the prevalence of pre-Neolithic European haplogroups, and aDNA Fst distance from Near Eastern populations such as Turks and Lebanese).
Most Albanians and many Bosniaks are secular or atheists, while some Bosniaks (at least in the countryside) are devout Muslims.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Huns, Mongols and Moors are NOT my ancestors.

Aryans??? 100% pure??? I have never referred to myself as an Aryan, sounds to me you are part colured boy.

Here go join this forum PANF its full of people like yourself who imagine North Africans and Middle Easterners are the same as us Europeans. I may just report this thread.

Look here Brian....Fowley
Don't behave like Basil Foley in Falwty Towers,who could not read properly even to safe his life.
The main problem with guys like you is a reading problem likened to Dyslexia
Where in heavens names have I said that mongols etc are your ancestors
With regard to Aryans well well, another Irish(1 of the 5 percent, hits the dustbin).
I can see you on St. Patrick's day drinking milk from a Muslim tit and deem her white.
I know you insinuated to want a heated debate ,but please be wise and keep quiet. You lose every time you open your mouth, from a Dutchman who has more than enough Irish crap coffee from the 5 percent in his bowls
You make a fool of yourself.
Report a thread that is oke coming from you I have no problem.
I am a coloured boy partly Prussian/French with a bit of Hannibal and and Attila

PANF well how often have you been in that forum sicko
Does it meanatient Access Network Fuddles.
Look here loose-minded squirt,you are lucky I am not a funding member,which means the moderators do not care what you make me out for.
Where I a funding member and a moderator I would have packed your bags to the Congo,so please do your remarks in style.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

No he doesn't. White South Africans, North Americans and Australians are Europeans outside Europe. They are Europeans in everything but location. And so are Russians (and the other deported European minority groups) living on the other side of the Urals (I noticed that they were not mentioned here).

Then use the word Caucasian,I use White.

Were I to mention all than I would have to use 25 pages including Cypres joke

[Kempenzoon]

Persian is an Indo-European language, and with the exception of small Arab and Turkic populations, Iranians are an Indo-European people.

INDO-European yes.

Still doesn't make them European, since that's only a part of the larger INDO-European group.