Who is White to you? Multiple choice.

[Damião de Góis]

I wasn't talking about that. I just want to know how you can say Italy is not dark when you have people like that in your country. People that would be hard to see here.

It would be nice to read your opinion on this, Hussar.
And by the way, i don't think there are Di Matteos and Quagliarellas in the Balkans, which you used to compare Italy with.

[Mesrine]

Interesting... have you ever checked the frequency of the Neolothic haplotypes and Spain and Italy?

All Italic and Iberic haplotypes are of Neolithic or later origin anyway.
R1b arrived in the Bronze Age, for example.

[Hussar]

You just forgot the "Moorish", didn't you?

Everything you wish, little moorish Princess

(don't you think it's late and the Harem guardians will notice your absence ?)

[Hussar]

All Italic and Iberic haplotypes are of Neolithic or later origin anyway.
R1b arrived in the Bronze Age, for example.

Even France then.

It would be nice to read your opinion on this, Hussar.
And by the way, i don't think there are Di Matteos and Quagliarellas in the Balkans, which you used to compare Italy with

For you a comparison :


province of TURIN (Biasutti/Livi data) :


light eyes : 40% (plus 30% intermediate/Hazel)


Portugal (local anthropologists) :


light eyes : 15-20%


Conclusion =

pure dark eyes in the Portuguese population : about 80%

pure dark eyes in the province of TURIN : about 30-35%



BLONDISM :


TURIN = 16-18%


PORTUGAL = 5%

[Damião de Góis]

For you a comparison :


province of TURIN (Biasutti/Livi data) :


light eyes : 40% (plus 30% intermediate/Hazel)


Portugal (local anthropologists) :


light eyes : 15-20%


Conclusion =

pure dark eyes in the Portuguese population : about 80%

pure dark eyes in the province of TURIN : about 30-35%



BLONDISM :


TURIN = 16-18%


PORTUGAL = 5%

Come on... this has nothing to do with what i asked. I was asking about the very exotic looking individuals that your country has. As a footbal fan i know they are not in little numbers in Italy....

And by the way your numbers are interesting. I can make up percentages too, but i don't feel like it.

[Stefan]

Greeks and Iberians are massively neolithics, while italians aren't.

I'm sorry, but isn't the J(in Europe, J1) Y-DNA Haplogroup what most people mean when they say "neolithic"? That is something more common in Italy than in any part of Iberia. Iberia is prevalent in the R1B group which is all over Western Europe. I'm not going to get into a color debate, but this is definitely not true.

http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/Wo...groupsMaps.pdf

Using this map, you can see that 3/4ths of the Y-Dna in Iberia is R1B. Then there is varying amounts of others, the largest of these being I. In Italy there is much less R1b, and much more distribution of other smaller groups. The second largest group(second to R1b) is J, including both J1 and J2. As far as I remember, J is considered by more people as "Neolithic" than R1B.

[Mesrine]

Even France then.

Indeed, and even most of Europe. Only haplogroup I seems to be Mesolithic (France 16.5%, Greece 15.5%, Spain 7%, Italy and Portugal 6.5%).

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

[Goidelic]

I'm sorry, but isn't the J(in Europe, J1) Y-DNA Haplogroup what most people mean when they say "neolithic"? That is something more common in Italy than in any part of Iberia. Iberia is prevalent in the R1B group which is all over Western Europe. I'm not going to get into a color debate, but this is definitely not true.

http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/Wo...groupsMaps.pdf

Using this map, you can see that 3/4ths of the Y-Dna in Iberia is R1B. Then there is varying amounts of others, the largest of these being I. In Italy there is much less R1b, and much more distribution of other smaller groups. The second largest group(second to R1b) is J, including both J1 and J2. As far as I remember, J is considered by more people as "Neolithic" than R1B.

J2 is Southeastern European, J1 is Ashkenazi Jewish, North African & Middle Eastern.

[Mesrine]

Iberia is prevalent in the R1B group which is all over Western Europe. I'm not going to get into a color debate, but this is definitely not true. In fact, the Northern Spanish probably has retained some of the 'oldest'(I'm talking in relative terms, not necessarily a different or older group) European ancestry.

In fact, no. R1b is a late arrival in Western Europe, from the Bronze Age. The old belief of a Paleolithic origin has been totally reversed in 2008.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...l#R1b-conquest

[Poltergeist]

In fact, no. R1b is a late arrival in Western Europe, from the Bronze Age. The old belief of a Paleolithic origin has been totally reversed in 2008.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...l#R1b-conquest

No kiddin' ????