Putin Reelected

[Humanophage]

Humanophage, you guys (Putin 'critics') make Putin look like a good guy. Your interest is not in creating a better Russia, but to foment revolution, create instability, a weaker Russia and pave the way for sharks and Americans to take hold.

How does faking votes make one a good guy? I suppose the balding bloke on the left is quite good, then:
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By the way, United Russia still hasn't been dealt with, so it's not just Putin, but his entourage as well. And to a greater degree, because their fraud was likely greater.

Thankfully, Putin won't let you guys do it. You might as well immigrate to the US or something. You are not a Russian patriot.

Well, it's my national state, haven't you seen my genetic results? I know ethnic Russians don't really have a national state with all those Russian patriots in Chechnya and Dagestan, but still.

Is there anything very unusual about me though? 38% voted Putin in the local electoral commission, and 33% voted Prokhorov.

Why is that amusing?

It is amusing because Putin has considerably higher approval ratings than United Russia. It implies epic fraud on behalf of the latter.

Humanophage, let me break this to you: Putin is the most popular politician in Russia. It is time you respect the wishes of the majority of Russians - it is called democracy.

Well, all I'm doing here is respecting democracy by showing that there is massive fraud in the elections, the chief instrument of determining public opinion. How do you know those are the wishes of the majority of Russians if the elections are rigged dramatically, and the bits that are hard to fake (such as electronic ballots) show a completely different picture?

You can come up with as many plots and graphs as you like, it won't change anything.

Of course it won't if you refuse watching at them. Why would you, however? It's all legitimate information out in the open. Come and see.

You are effectively bed-buddies with Russia's sworn enemies: Americans and Jews. That is the beginning of truth.

I was under the impression you weren't too much into all those Jewish conspiracies. Anyway, much of Putin's foremost figures are Jews or CIS Asians like Alisher Usmanov, Mikhail Fridman, Vagit Alekperov, Viktor Vekselberg, Iskander Makhmudov, German Khan, Leonid Mikhelson, Suleyman Kerimov, etc., etc. His main propagandists Vladimir Solovyev and Sergey Kurginyan are Jewish and Armenian.

Which means there is honesty and visibility, right? I thought you did not trust official sources ... but only when it suits you, you will accept it.

They'll publish obviously rigged results like this for you to see, and you can do nothing:


Look at the patterns to see how the results were faked (e.g., huge turnouts, identical results, high votes in psychiatric wards et al.)

With United Russia, percentage is crucial. They grabbed about 15-20% votes on top of their own, and pushed out an opposition party whose votes were halved. They have an entirely illegitimate majority in the parliament.

With Putin, he might easily have gone for a second tour, the results of which would have been difficult to predict. Even if he didn't, he received a lot less than 63% votes, and the votes should be counted accordingly. The elections were recent, so it's very hard to say how much he would have gotten. Like I said, I'll have a closer look at it tomorrow. What am I doing here at 5:30 AM anyway? *deep sigh*

[Padre Organtino]

This time I have to disagree with Humanophage. Most Russians do view "United Russia" as crooks and fucktards but that does not automatically translate into disapproval of Putin. Russia does have a long tradition of "Good Tzar Bad Boyars" thing and hence by distancing himself a bit from the ruling party after the parliamentary election fraud Putin has managed to whitewash his rep.

[Loki]

Well, it's my national state, haven't you seen my genetic results? I know ethnic Russians don't really have a national state with all those Russian patriots in Chechnya and Dagestan, but still.

Your genetic results are irrelevant. Of course you are a Russian - but an unpatriotic Russian who is bedfellows with Russia's sworn enemies.

Is there anything very unusual about me though? 38% voted Putin in the local electoral commission, and 33% voted Prokhorov.

So if Prokhorov scores well, it must be zero election fraud.

It is amusing because Putin has considerably higher approval ratings than United Russia. It implies epic fraud on behalf of the latter.

No it does not.

[Adrian]

That is not true. Putin is the most popular politician in Russia.

Putin, during the years, has managed to create an image which portrays him like the Saviour of Russia, as irreplaceable, as most powerful, most courageous, most intelligent man etc.
Martial arts, hunting, his background (russian version of 007 ), tigers, swimming in front of cameras and other activities have contributed to look like any super extra ultra person/leader. lol

If Yeltsin was a failure, doesn't mean that every Russian except Putin will be a failure. Whether the principles of democracy would exist there, I am sure that there would appear a lot of better/new leaders.

[Joe McCarthy]

I really don't mind Putin's authoritarianism that much. Some cultures just aren't ready for true democracy. In fact too much democracy can become just as bad as a dictatorship at times.

But he really does need to crack down on immigration, stop supporting Islamist regimes, and think about joining the EU and not creating his Eurasian Union.

There is such a thing as a good dictator - that much is true, or at least not a bad one. Augusto Pinochet described himself as a dictator in the old Roman sense, in that he held emergency powers to save the nation from destruction. That certainly can't be said for Putin though, as he himself is destroying the country. He's not the fatherly figure defending his country, though he tries to cultivate that image. He is the gangster robbing Russia blind.

[Loki]

There is such a thing as a good dictator - that much is true, or at least not a bad one. Augusto Pinochet described himself as a dictator in the old Roman sense, in that he held emergency powers to save the nation from destruction. That certainly can't be said for Putin though, as he himself is destroying the country. He's not the fatherly figure defending his country, though he tries to cultivate that image. He is the gangster robbing Russia blind.

You should like Putin, then. You have stated that you wish for a weak Russia, etc.

[Joe McCarthy]

You should like Putin, then. You have stated that you wish for a weak Russia, etc.

Have I? I don't recall that. I'm not anti-Russian. I'm anti-Putin. I know the two are very easily blurred, but I think Russia should maintain its territorial integrity and become an ally with the United States and Europe to blunt the rise of the East. This will also do much to solve the Turkey issue.

However, this is impossible with Putin in charge.

Even if one believes Putin was necessary 5-10 years ago, every leader eventually outlives his usefulness. Putin has entered terminal Brezhnev stage.

[Loki]

By the way Chechnya and Dagestan only make up a small percentage of the total Russian electorate. Take them out completely and it wouldn't change the result for Putin much.

[Loki]

Have I? I don't recall that. I'm not anti-Russian.

Do you really want me to pick out the many posts and threads you made about that? Just save me the hassle and admit it.

[Joe McCarthy]

Do you really want me to pick out the many posts and threads you made about that? Just save me the hassle and admit it.

The only thing I remember on this issue is once where you accused me of being anti-Russian and I said something to the effect that I might could be said to be anti-Russian in a political sense, but in saying that I was referring to Putin, and I noted then that my view is complicated as I favor a US-Russia alliance. In fact, one reason I dislike Putin is that he is obstructing that alliance.