Keltic/Keltid vs Noric/Norid

[Kalitas]

Both subraces/phenotypes (as you like to call them) are supposedly the result of the mixture of the Nordid and Dinarid subraces/phenotypes. Despite this, both subraces/phenotypes have a different look from each other.
The Keltic/Keltid is common in the british isles, while the Noric/Nordid is more common in the alpine areas of central europe.

Some examples:

Keltic/Keltid type

Liam Neeson


Edward Norton


Noric/Norid type

Leelee Sobieski (actress)




David Nalbandian (argentinian tennis palyer)


In my opinion the Keltic/Keltid is a dinarized Nordid, while the Noric/Norid type is a 50/50 mix, carrying more Dinarid traits than the Keltic/Keltid

What´s your opinion?

[Pallantides]

I think Liam Neeson is more Cro-Magnid with Keltic-Nordic influence

[Kalitas]

I think Liam Neeson is more Cro-Magnid with Keltic-Nordic influence

Now that you mention it, I notice a Cromagnid influence on him

Certain traits of him in side face like the prominent nose and his sloping forehead reminds me Hitler
Do you think Hitler had cromagnid influence?

[Aviane]

Keltids/Keltic Nordids especially ones from the British Isles can produce similar types to the Bavarian and Balkanic types such as Dinarids/Norids + Cromagnoids.

[rashka]

Agree with Cleemont.
I think the Celts had their own phenotype originally when they were in Europe proper - from France to Southern Germany to the Western Balkans and even down to Greece where they were known to have had many tribes and were actually quite a large union of people until different warring factions broke them up and so they spread even further west till they got to today's UK. They were probably on the Brunette side as well. Their remnants could be seen amongst the people in Europe today, from Spain to France to Germany to northern Italy to Serbia. Belgrade, the capital city of Serbia used to be called by its Celtic name Singidunum. There are some place names throughout Bosnia and Serbia that still hold their original Celtic names with slight Slavic variances. There are a lot of similarities amongst Europeans - more than dissimilarities.

[Kalitas]

Keltids/Keltic Nordids especially ones from the British Isles can produce similar types to the Bavarian and Balkanic types such as Dinarids/Norids + Cromagnoids.

So that means that if we were at the Alps and move further to the north, to Switzerland, Austria, south of Germany, Czech Republic and maybe south west of Poland, the Nordid influence will be higher, resulting in a higher presence of the Keltid type, while if we move further to the south, to places like the north of Italy, Slovenia and Hungary, the Norid type will be dominant over the Keltid type

[Kalitas]

Agree with Cleemont.
I think the Celts had their own phenotype originally when they were in Europe proper - from France to Southern Germany to the Western Balkans and even down to Greece where they were known to have had many tribes and were actually quite a large union of people until different warring factions broke them up and so they spread even further west till they got to today's UK. They were probably on the Brunette side as well. Their remnants could be seen amongst the people in Europe today, from Spain to France to Germany to northern Italy to Serbia. Belgrade, the capital city of Serbia used to be called by its Celtic name Singidunum. There are some place names throughout Bosnia and Serbia that still hold their original Celtic names with slight Slavic variances. There are a lot of similarities amongst Europeans - more than dissimilarities.

I don´t know. I used the word Keltic/Keltid due to the lack of a better one to define that phenotype, but I don´t thik that celtic can be used in a racial sense. The Celts/Kelts were a group of people who spoke a branch of the Indo-European languages and shared a shared culture to some extent. Racially speaking, the Celts showed very different phenotypes, for example the Britons from the British Isles were described as swarthy by the Romans, and having a mediterranean look (You can still notice this nowadays if you travel to the "purest" celtic areas like Wales and south west Ireland). In the other hand, the Gauls and the celts from south Germania were always despicted as blondes and light eyed.
In my humble opinion, the Dinarid elements found in the British Isles were brought by the germanic invaders who conquered the isles, although I still don´t know how the germanic population of the British Isles can carry more Dinarid traits than Frisia, Jutland and north Germany, places where it is assumed that came from:mmmm:

[Kalitas]

More data

According to Richard McCulloch

He classifies the Nordid race/phenotype into two main groups: "an Inner or Central subgroup consisting of the Nordic, Borreby, Brünn, Fälish, Trønder and Anglo-Saxon subraces and subtypes of the British Isles, Scandinavia, northern Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium; and an Outer or Periphery subgroup, which includes the Atlantid subtypes of the British Isles, and the Noric, East Baltic and Neo-Danubian subtypes which predominate in northern France, southern Germany, Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic, Finland, the Baltic States, Poland and northwestern Russia.
Keltic type (predominant element in Flanders, majority in the Netherlands and northern and western Switzerland, primary element in England, eastern Scotland and old Frankish country in southwest Germany, common in Wales and Ireland; ancient Franks and northern Kelts [the Germanokelten] were of this type which, despite its name, is perhaps most closely associated with the westernmost and southernmost of the ancient Germanic peoples and their descendants)
Noric or Sub-Nordic type (southern periphery blend of Nordic with Alpine and/or Dinaric, with the Nordic element dominant; principal element in northern France, important element in central Germany and Austria, common in Transylvania and western Ukraine, minor in British Isles)"

Percentages

"England: 25% Keltic Nordic (derived from pre-Roman invaders), 2% Noric (from Bronze-Age invaders)
Scotland : 25% Keltic Nordic, 2% Noric
Wales : 30% Keltic Nordic
The Netherlands: 50% Keltic Nordic (of Frankish derivation)
Belgium : 60% Keltic Nordic (most common in Flanders, derived from the ancient Belgae and Franks)
Germany : 6% Keltic Nordic (most common in the old Frankish country in the southwest), 15% Noric
France : 30% Noric (most common in the north)
Switzerland : 40% Keltic Nordic, 30% Noric( both most common in the north, west and center)
Austria : 15% Keltic Nordic , 35% Noric
Poland : 5% Noric
The Czech Republic and Slovakia : 15% Noric (most common in Bohemia)
Hungary : 2% Noric
Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine : 5% Noric
Italy : 4% Noric (most common in the north)
Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia and Macedonia : 10% Noric
Romania : 7% Noric
Albania : 5% Noric"

As we can see the Ketic/Keltid type is predominant in Western Europe, while the Noric/Norid type is more common in Eastern Europe