Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources

[Weedman]

Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Historian and Senator of the Roman Empire.

Annals, book 15, chapter 44, 116 AD...



Here we have a Roman historian clearly talking about the existence of Christ, and in the video we have some idiot who has nothing more than to make money and brainwash people, trying to go against ancient historians who clearly wrote of Jesus.

even if there ever was a historical jesus, he sure as hell never rose from the grave or performed miracles nor was he the son of any god
he was just a "prophet" with a cult following who had moral teachings
IF he existed at all

again nothing wrong with that but nothing unique or special about it or the christian religion either
no different than buddhism or anytihng else

[Weedman]

Theres also stories of Zeus all over Greece by different names, gods from Egypt who made their way to Greece, Greece to Egypt. Doesn't make any of those Gods real.

MANY things in the bible were taken from Egyptians..............the sun god Re, is Jesus, plus John the Baptist the man, is based on an earlier Egyptian god

The myth of Lilith which was take out of the original bible, in the garden of eden is widespread throughout the mid east

The bible is just the Hebrew version of similar myths that have been around the middle east since much much earlier and that makes sense from a cultural perspective.

[Weedman]

Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Historian and Senator of the Roman Empire.

Annals, book 15, chapter 44, 116 AD...



Here we have a Roman historian clearly talking about the existence of Christ, and in the video we have some idiot who has nothing more than to make money and brainwash people, trying to go against ancient historians who clearly wrote of Jesus.

still no contemporary evidence. You say this was written 116AD though Jesus died around 30AD
Big fucking time gap and it just shows Tacitus is just going by other sources that may or may not be exaggerated or false

[Insuperable]

MANY things in the bible were taken from Egyptians..............the sun god Re, is Jesus, plus John the Baptist the man, is based on an earlier Egyptian god

The myth of Lilith which was take out of the original bible, in the garden of eden is widespread throughout the mid east

The bible is just the Hebrew version of similar myths that have been around the middle east since much much earlier and that makes sense from a cultural perspective.

Not Ra, but Horus, but...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Massey

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Even the Romans wrote about Jesus... Not to believe that Jesus existed as a person is the most ignorant thing to believe... Three of the major religions in this world all believe that he existed, but some "Skepticon" idiot is trying to come out on stage to make money by brainwashing people with his bullshit ideas, and other idiots who have nothing else to do but rebel against everything are sitting there and listening to his bullshit and believing every word...

There is clear historic evidence that Jesus existed, even outside Christian writings...

And the timeframe of 80 years, for a made up figure, is very awkward even if we dismiss the obvious evidence from romans.

It would be like making up Hitler today and convincing people he existed when he didn't, even that he ruled a real kingdom and did various big events.

It's just completely impossible.

But the 80 years figure is wrong, too. Obviously at some point each gospel was separate. Some of them argue against points brought up in other separate gospels outside NT so we can see that the dates we have for them are wrong, too - showing the 80 years date is just the only historic reference from outside itself we have.

I can see people disbeliving he was divine or whatever...but it's just complete joke to say he didn't exist. For muhamed on the other hand, case is more convincing, though still unprovable.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

MANY things in the bible were taken from Egyptians..............the sun god Re, is Jesus, plus John the Baptist the man, is based on an earlier Egyptian god

The myth of Lilith which was take out of the original bible, in the garden of eden is widespread throughout the mid east

The bible is just the Hebrew version of similar myths that have been around the middle east since much much earlier and that makes sense from a cultural perspective.

Do you think that jesus was really the first god sent? No, he is a continuation, a reminder that comes whenever the word has been forgotten or perverted. He was a revival to judaism that was a revival to something else, going back to the dawn of time.

[Also]

Not to believe that Jesus existed as a person is the most ignorant thing to believe...

Pretty much. It's usually a few atheists who judge themselves to be imersed in logic and reason but don't realize their own ignorance.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Pretty much. It's usually a few atheists who judge themselves to be imersed in logic and reason but don't realize their own ignorance.

And yet I have yet to meet outspoken atheist with math, computer science or engineering degree. You know, someone who actually knows logic.

[Pontios]

even if there ever was a historical jesus, he sure as hell never rose from the grave or performed miracles nor was he the son of any god
he was just a "prophet" with a cult following who had moral teachings
IF he existed at all

again nothing wrong with that but nothing unique or special about it or the christian religion either
no different than buddhism or anytihng else

The point here is that He existed as a person on earth, not what He was.

Can you guys think logically here, were talking about if He EXISTED AS A PERSON. What He was is a different arguement. The point is that this Skepticon idiot is historically incorrect in many ways. We have ancient Hellenic and Roman historians CLEARLY talking about the existence of Jesus and you are incorporating other arguments into this.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The point here is that He existed as a person on earth, not what He was.

Can you guys think logically here, were talking about if He EXISTED AS A PERSON. What He was is a different arguement. The point is that this Skepticon idiot is historically incorrect in many ways. We have ancient Hellenic and Roman historians CLEARLY talking about the existence of Jesus and you are incorporating other arguments into this.

There's also a bunch of things in the bible that seemed "wrong" as far as historic ideas that were later archaeologically proved but I'd have to dredge them up.

I never got this kind of argument people try to make, it shows they really lack an understanding of scholarship. Bible was not written in 80 AD - 200 AD, that's just the earliest outside references we have surviving. After 2k+ years obviously only the barest fraction of documents survive.