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    I support Orthodox solidarity. Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, FYROM, Greece, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, also parts of Lebanon and Albania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva View Post
    Christian solidarity is good, but to some extent. I will have much in common with a Christian than a person of another religion, of course, but at the same time even Christian branches and ways of practices differ based on the cultural heritage of the particular ethnic group. While I can feel closer to any Orthodox or Catholic Christian practice, I can't say the same about many churches in the USA for example or in Africa in terms of ways of practice, Christian heritage, doctrine. For example while many black people will express their faith by jumping and singing hip-hop in a random building, I will need an ancient beautiful Armenian church, angelic singing, a mass with all its attributes that have history and make me feel more Armenian, not only Christian
    I agree with you a lot Eva jan. Our Churches have a very spiritual atmosphere in my view and any Church should be solemn and serious. Our divine liturgy is very beautiful also, especially the choir singing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosov View Post
    would you say divisions are greater in Christianity or in Islam? Just look at those wars where Christians were killing Christians over doctrine differences.
    Catholic vs. "heresy" (Arians, Donatists, Gnostics, Pelagians, etc.)
    Catholic vs. Protestant
    Protestant vs. Protestant

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    Not that the Muslims are much better. Schismatic infighting is endemic to monotheism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teyrn View Post
    Catholic vs. "heresy" (Arians, Donatists, Gnostics, Pelagians, etc.)
    Catholic vs. Protestant
    Protestant vs. Protestant

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    Not that the Muslims are much better. Schismatic infighting is endemic to monotheism.
    To my knowledge Shia/Sunni conflict hasn't been as violent as Catholic/Protestant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosov View Post
    To my knowledge Shia/Sunni conflict hasn't been as violent as Catholic/Protestant...
    I don't know about that, I was just raising the existence of the divisions within Islam. Sufis have been heavily-persecuted too iirc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teyrn View Post
    The idea of Christendom is largely a product of the Catholic Church, which is a spent force outside of the traditionalists (re: minority). But Christendom itself is just a variation of a pre-existent concept: the imperium.

    ..Christendom was all but conterminous with the Roman Empire..

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03699b.htm

    OH YEAH???

    Earthly or divine imperium, Christians just purloined the many already well-developed ideas from their pagan ancestors and then had, and still have, the gall to claim to be the sole possessors of truth, justice, etc. in the world.
    There were vast swaths of Europe Rome never even reached.

    And the lack of European unity led to its fall. Only Christendom could inspire Holy Crusades combining disparate European tribes, who previously had no common identity at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't think so. As people become more wealthy and prosperous, religion becomes less important to them. This will be the case everywhere in the world, without exception.
    while there's some truth in it I wouldn't say it's a norm. Even the most wealthy people appear in situations which they can't solve even with all their money, so they need the interference of the supernatural power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    There were vast swaths of Europe Rome never even reached.

    And the lack of European unity led to its fall. Only Christendom could inspire Holy Crusades combining disparate European tribes, who previously had no common identity at all.
    And the idea that the Roman Empire wasn't equivalent to the entire world and was divinely-ordained by Jupiter to rule the world didn't exist at all? Or does it take a Semitic deity to inspire that kind of idea? The bonds of Roman citizenship, patriotism, devotion to the state and its gods didn't motivate disparate ethnicities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    There were vast swaths of Europe Rome never even reached.

    And the lack of European unity led to its fall. Only Christendom could inspire Holy Crusades combining disparate European tribes, who previously had no common identity at all.
    and a loyal ally of the Christian Crusaders was Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia







    Last King of Cilicia...buried in Basilique Saint-Denis near Paris:


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    Religion is, at the end of the day, just a part of a group identity. Every human creates his own idealised image of "God", and since we're collectivist animals by nature, each human collective will have their own distinct "God" that fits them best as people. Their religious practices and laws will just derive from their ethnic character that already existed.

    As has been said before, a Catholic Pole has almost nothing in common with a Catholic Filipino. They're simply not "brothers" on any level. These universalist religions, despite all the heads-in-the-clouds idealism, very rarely turn out to be universal. In the end, our human differences are just too great.

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