Do you own a gun?

[Treffie]

This is what my gun looks like (this is actually a picture of a H&K USP .45 I found online):

I likey! Unfortunately, the only guns we are allowed to own over here look like this.



It's reloadable.

[Psychonaut]

I'm not going to slag the M16 family of weapons, and they have improved considerably over the years, but even some of the best ones still jam too often for my tastes (they are accurate as hell though ).

Do they ever jam! I can hardly fire off an entire magazine without these pieces of crap misfiring at least once. I hear the M4s are better, but my assigned weapon is still an M16A2.

[Barreldriver]

Do they ever jam! I can hardly fire off an entire magazine without these pieces of crap misfiring at least once. I hear the M4s are better, but my assigned weapon is still an M16A2.

A2? Damn the Navy sure gets last dibs lol. I hear the A4 is standard for Army and Marines, at least that's what my bud on the inside says, also what's the deal with the XM8?

[Psychonaut]

A2? Damn the Navy sure gets last dibs lol. I hear the A4 is standard for Army and Marines, at least that's what my bud on the inside says, also what's the deal with the XM8?

Navy!? I'm in the fucking Army, boy! But seriously, I'm in a strategic MI unit, so we don't exactly get assigned top quality gear. As for the XM8, I'll shit my pants if that's in use before 2020.

[Barreldriver]

Navy!? I'm in the fucking Army, boy! But seriously, I'm in a strategic MI unit, so we don't exactly get assigned top quality gear. As for the XM8, I'll shit my pants if that's in use before 2020.

Shit I thought you were Navy. lol! My bad. I was hearing the XM8 was supposed to be out around 2020 officially, but some units use them now to test, much how the M16 was used in Nam.

[Galloglaich]

...I was hearing the XM8 was supposed to be out around 2020 officially, but some units use them now to test, much how the M16 was used in Nam.

The M16 was tested early on, but can be considered the main U.S. rifle of the war. I think the M16 was officially adopted in '64 and pretty much started seeing major use in '65. My old man served during Tet ('68), he did all his basic with the M14 and was pissed when he got "in country" and they handed him a '16. Luckily, he was in a position to use what he wanted (as a side note, he was one of the few who got to use the 1911 chambered in .38 Super-but that's another story) and spent most of his time in the bush with an "appropriated" AK-47.

As for the XM8, I think they keep pushing back the date-it is something like 2020 now. I'm currently pretty interested in finding someone with a 6.8 upper receiver for an AR and checking out that caliber. It seems like it would be pretty badass.

[Psychonaut]

I'm currently pretty interested in finding someone with a 6.8 upper receiver for an AR and checking out that caliber. It seems like it would be pretty badass.

Have you seen the AR15s that Bushmaster puts out that are chambered at .450?

[RoyBatty]

I've never shot one. I'd really like to. I just googled up the schematics-there do seem to be some similarities in the mechanism. Interesting the way the recoil spring is around the barrel. It's an interesting firearm.

In some cases they may or may not be available as "Firebird" variants in 9mm Parabellum. I was set on getting one years ago but alas.. it didn't happen. The CZ75 Loki mentioned is also a decent sidearm. Perhaps the only thing I don't like about it is the smallish slide, meaning there's less to grip on in case you were trying to clear a jam.

I have shot a variety of FAL variants. They are heavy, but the recoil doesn't bother me so much. I'm a big fan of 7.62 NATO and own a number of .308 Winchesters. The gas operation tends to tame them a bit.

I admit, I'm a sissy, lol!!!!

They certainly aren't the ideal assault rifle,

I'd hate to have to lug it around. Too big, too heavy, impossible to use on automatic unless you have a bipod, not 100% convinced about reliability and ability to deal with dusty / sandy conditions.

but as far as the whole "battle rifle" thing goes I think they're pretty awesome. They tend to not be as accurate as some of the M1A/M14s I've shot, but for some reason I really like them. I think it's in the ergonomics.

It is a cool looking weapon, no doubt.

I agree that this is one hell of a rifle. All the AKs I've ever shot were plenty accurate for "realistic" ranges and never hiccuped. Nice stopping power too.

For me those are the only criteria which matter.

- Usable at realistic range. Obviously it's not a contender for competition shooting.

- Reliability. Nothing much to be said here. The AK has somewhat "loose" tolerances and is quite forgiving wrt fouling in unforgiving circumstances. Probably one of the most reliable assault rifles ever. This is way more important than being able to hit the center of a matchbox at 100 yards.

My father was an LRRP with the 101st in Vietnam, and he said that he definitely preferred the AK for that type of work (of course, no weapon ever lived up to the M14 in his estimation). I'm not going to slag the M16 family of weapons, and they have improved considerably over the years, but even some of the best ones still jam too often for my tastes (they are accurate as hell though ). I'm not the biggest fan of 5.56 either, but the newer 6.8 chambering does excite me.

Cheers for the info

I own a Colt, and I do have to admit it is a thing of beauty. It's not as accurate or reliable as my Hi-Power, though. Still, I'd feel quite comfortable trusting my life to it. I did run an attempted burglar out of my kitchen/back door with it once. The sound of that slide dropping and the big hole at the end of the barrel was enough to send him packing!

Yup

I used to own a 686+ in .357 (It was stolen, but that's another sad story ). Hands down, it was the most accurate revolver I've ever shot. My friend Shawn and I used to be able to hit 1 inch steel plates at 50 yards about 5 out of every 7 shots with it. It was amazing!

[RoyBatty]

My old man served during Tet ('68), he did all his basic with the M14 and was pissed when he got "in country" and they handed him a '16. Luckily, he was in a position to use what he wanted (as a side note, he was one of the few who got to use the 1911 chambered in .38 Super-but that's another story) and spent most of his time in the bush with an "appropriated" AK-47.

Wow interesting info. I read similar accounts of soldiers unofficially using AK's but still interesting to hear about it 1st / 2nd hand.

A Russian friend of mine used AK-74's in Afghanistan (replacement of the '47). Not sure how well they stack up against the '47 but they're probably not too bad.

[Thorum]

What calibers are you considering and how much do you want to spend?

9mm; .357; .44 @ $1000

Well, well, well. I must say, you all have shown some beautiful weapons here. And you are much, much, more intelligent and knowledgeable. Me, I just want to shoot the fuck out of the deer out back eating my new trees, blow the knees off someone coming in the house and at the same time either:

1) Own a bit of history - Walther P-38 or

2) Something powerful - Smith & Wesson Model 686 6" .357 Magnum.

The weapon I purchase will be used often, not sitting on the wall to be gawked at..........