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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Thats what makes me even more suspicious. Those Jews would write one thing and tell each "Don't mind that, we are just messing with goyim's brains"
    The trouble with that line of thought is that the only ones who've ever really cared about the oral interpretation of the Bible are the Jews. It could be said with some truth that the oral custom is simply a result of when the Jews realized the Bible had a mess of contradictory parts and then came up with the idea of an oral law being passed down from Moses and Aaron to the elders of the twelve tribes and from the elders of the twelves tribes to the priests of the twelve tribes and.....

    I prefer to see the Bible on its face, i.e. it was written with little in the way of the copy-pasta editing that it's been said to have gotten something in history (during the reign of some particular pious king like Hezekiah), which explains the oral interpretation perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    If you want to understand who the 'biblegod' is read the Book of Genesis once again.

    In the first chapter its explained how someone called God (Creator, The One) created the Earth, populated it with life and finally made human beings on top. All of it in six days and on seventh day He took rest.

    In the second chapter its explained how Adam and Eve were created. Christians believe its detailed explanation of events of the first chapter. But... Original texts never used word God to refer to creator in second chapter. They always call him The Lord. Why is that?

    If you'll consider both chapters as chronological chain of events the story looks very interesting. Some entity called God creating our world and all life on it including humans. Then while He is taking rest another entity called Lord creating extra couple of humans. All following Bible text is pretty much the story of exploits of The Lord via his creatures in the world of humans created by The God.
    Yes, when humans were created God refers to himself in plural and it seems that you discovered hot water.
    Anyway Christians do not believe that God created the world in days ( except some crazy Creationists ).
    It says clearly in the Bible that to God one day is the same as thousand years and thousand years is the same as one day.
    It is clearly a symbolism.
    It is important to understand what symbolism is in the Bible and what is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teyrn View Post
    Physicality cannot be attributed to God because of the limitations of matter, although I'll leave the particulars of energy and matter alone, and anything with any sort of limitation isn't perfect and is therefore not God.

    I think that's the line of some of the reasoning I've seen which says that the divine cannot be, and will not be, human (another criticism of Christianity that I've developed).


    Looking specifically from religious point you do realize that Christ had no
    human father and according to New Testament and even the Old testament
    God has chosen people ( Jews ) which he prepared for centuries so that Christ could be born.

    When someone is beaten, beaten by lash, spit at, laughed at, crucified and left to die the slow death and when that man with the last breath says
    "Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing"
    is not human but superhuman at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebastard View Post
    When someone is beaten, beaten by lash, spit at, laughed at, crucified and left to die the slow death and when that man with the last breath says "Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing" is not human but superhuman at least for me.
    All of which goes against the idea that anything can have any power over God or that God can be subject to any sort of physical limitation or hinderance (i.e. human weakness), and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebastard View Post
    Yes, when humans were created God refers to himself in plural and it seems that you discovered hot water.
    Anyway Christians do not believe that God created the world in days ( except some crazy Creationists ).
    It says clearly in the Bible that to God one day is the same as thousand years and thousand years is the same as one day.
    It is clearly a symbolism.
    It is important to understand what symbolism is in the Bible and what is not.
    The main controversy of Genesis is not creation of the world in a few days but possible presence of entity which trying to convince people he is The Creator while he is not. If you'll look at the Old Testament with the idea that The Lord (Yhvh) is not actual creator of our world and humanity but only a small part of it the whole story getting turned upside down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    The main controversy of Genesis is not creation of the world in a few days but possible presence of entity which trying to convince people he is The Creator while he is not. If you'll look at the Old Testament with the idea that The Lord (Yhvh) is not actual creator of our world and humanity but only a small part of it the whole story getting turned upside down.
    That's the demi-urge or are you saying it's the devil trying to fool people that he's the creator?
    Last edited by Teyrn; 03-21-2012 at 01:49 PM. Reason: Typos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    The main controversy of Genesis is not creation of the world in a few days but possible presence of entity which trying to convince people he is The Creator while he is not. If you'll look at the Old Testament with the idea that The Lord (Yhvh) is not actual creator of our world and humanity but only a small part of it the whole story getting turned upside down.
    As I saw you are one of those people on apricity who say that they have spoken
    with gods ( i hope that drugs have nothing to do with this ) so your biased mind need to multiple God.
    As I have said you have discovered hot water looking purely from religious view.
    What you ingeniously considered is my wondering why jews and muims are not christians because in the Old testament ( genesis ) God refers to himself in plural, refers as Trinity to be more exact.
    Yahve ( one entity ), the Lord ( second entity ) and the Holy Spirit ( third entity ). I did write "entity" ( it is actually one entity ) but it is said many times in the Old and the New testament
    that the Holy Spirit, the Lord and the Yahweh ( I am who I am ) are the same "person".
    Christian philosophers were struggling for centuries to define the Trinity with little luck so far and what you thought of they were discussing it for centuries.
    There is however an answer but it is not worth discussing it with someone who is not a Christian and it is especially not worth discussing it over forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teyrn View Post
    All of which goes against the idea that anything can have any power over God or that God can be subject to any sort of physical limitation or hinderance (i.e. human weakness), and so on.
    You know how it is said "To God human wisdom ( logic ) is foolishness"
    something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebastard View Post
    You know how it is said "To God human wisdom ( logic ) is foolishness"
    something like that
    Yes but human experience is the only way to truly ponder the existence of the divine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teyrn View Post
    That's the demi-urge or are you saying it's the deil trying to fool people that he's th creator?
    Did you mean Devil? I'm not familiar with this entity as I had no interest in it thus no experience.

    From my experience Yhvh is neither Creator nor Devil. He existed long time before Moses.

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