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    This veil ,burka headscarf traditions of many civilisations are all sedantery ..so is submissive passive women image is not native.
    A woman in burka cannot function ,cannot milk animals ,she is the indoor person and her freedom is limited ..for these type of traditions ,we first need walls to keep women inside ..
    ..may be that's the reason hiding hair for religios reasons have never been a Turkic tradition and even after İslam it was not strictly followed ..

    But same as Turkey ,Hijab is nowadays promoted in central Asia under the name of religious freedom ..a freedom local people never demanded spread by New Amerikan Agenda (IRFC -International Religious Freedom Commitee )
    ACRFA (Advisor Committee of Religious Freedom Abroad)

    Kyrgyzstan’s self-described traditionalist movement, which emphasizes a Kyrgyz identity predating Islam, has also joined the fray, with a coalition of groups collecting signatures opposing hijabs in schools. One member of a youth organization has even offered to personally defend the minister of education. “The hijab is foreign to us,” said Chinara Seidahmatova of the Fund for the Rebirth of the Spiritual Legacy of the Kyrgyz. “Kyrgyz women never wore a headscarf until they were married. Here we have eight-year-old girls wearing [a] hijab. It’s simply ignorance, even theological ignorance.”
    In Kazakistan

    One university official from the state university, Atyrau, from which the woman was expelled, however, defended the decision.

    “If we allow the hijab in our schools today, tomorrow followers of Hare Krishna and Buddhism will come in their traditional outfits too.”

    Earlier this month, two men in the Kazakh capital Astana began a hunger strike to highlight the plight of women they say are discriminated against for wearing the hijab.

    And last week, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev weighed in on the issue during a meeting with professionals and scholars.

    “I am categorically against the hijab, and especially don’t want female students wearing it,” RFE/RL reported the president as saying.

    “We’ve never had it in our history. It has never been a part of our religious traditions.”
    -- modesty?

    modesty has been used to praise virtue of wearing these uniforms ..but economical modesty is never mentioned.
    Headscarfs and richness goes hand by hand these days..so its all about the money ..and this so called Islamic Royals use women body for their propaganda ..they are all walking billboards (of New Islamic Luxury Life ) Before, showing of money was considered a moral degeneration and it was socially awkward in Turkey.Headscarf is a uniform of consumerism culture and luxury is no more shame .This alien version(Wahhabi+USA) of Islam is destroying local culture and real modesty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tel Errant View Post
    There's no such obligation in the gospels, and quoting the Old Testament is of no use since it's allegoric.
    The obligation to wear the full veil is laid out in Corinthians.

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...&postcount=414

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary View Post
    The obligation to wear the full veil is laid out in Corinthians.

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...&postcount=414
    Do you put Paul's interpretations over the teaching of the Christ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tel Errant View Post
    Do you put Paul's interpretations over the teaching of the Christ?
    This is what I call the Paul argument. It goes like this: "But this is written by Paul, it wasn't said by Jesus, so it doesn't count."

    Well, we look at the very beginning of Corinthians:

    1 Corinthians 1

    New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)

    1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ersion=NIV1984

    Paul has the authority to tell us what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary View Post
    Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God
    And so was Judas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tel Errant View Post
    And so was Judas.
    That doesn't negate Paul's authority in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary View Post
    That doesn't negate Paul's authority in any way.
    The Christ is the Verb of God made man sent to accomplish the Scriptures. All you need to know is in the Gospels.
    The apostles were just his human and fallible messengers.
    If Paul says something that is not in the Gospels, it's just his interpretation and you're free to be a Paulinist, but don't tell Christians what they have to do.

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