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    The Real News: Struggle in the Chinese Communist Party

    Minqi Li: The division between the pro "free market" forces vs those who want some socialism grows more intense.


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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    This is why we don't need to wage war against China. We just need to wait until democracy worthy of the name comes to there! Just follow our playbook from the Cold War - sit back and wait for the whole edifice to collapse.

    Now I don't expect China to collapse in the spectacular way the USSR did. But what I do expect is that well within even the older posters lifetimes, there will be a "color revolution" in China, which brings in a multiparty democracy. All we gotta do is sit back and wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil75231 View Post
    This is why we don't need to wage war against China. We just need to wait until democracy worthy of the name comes to there!
    Democracy ? China ? What part of Chinese culture is it that you don't understand ? It's a completely alien concept to them.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Democracy ? China ? What part of Chinese culture is it that you don't understand ? It's a completely alien concept to them.
    It was an alien concept at one time in Turkey, South Korea, and Latin America at one time. Look at the situation today. Even Russia and Burma are moving toward democracy - admittedly so far an incomplete journey. Why not China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil75231 View Post
    It was an alien concept at one time in Turkey, South Korea, and Latin America at one time. Look at the situation today. Even Russia and Burma are moving toward democracy - admittedly so far an incomplete journey. Why not China?
    It still is an alien concept to them and Turkey's "democracy" is far from perfect. Let alone what is going on down in Latin America. Apart from South Korea and the only thing that will keep that in place is the presence of the U.S Army.
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    Oh, come on. As if there are not enough Turks living in those countries to make counter-pressure. Even Merkel's Christian Democratic party has begun to have Turkish deputies elected. As a matter of fact; the Turkish population is rapidly increasing and Germany will soon have to come to a more pro-Turkish point. The same goes for your country, the Netherlands. In France; while there's a significant increase in right-wing movements; socialists are still in power and are preparing to lift their blocks upon Turkey's chapters.

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    Actually, S. Korea's democratic revolution happened without our help in the mid to late 80s. Back then, we were just supporting "another right-wing anti-communist dictatorship". Then, the South Koreans rose up in "people power", forced the powers-that-were to buckle under, and allow multiparty elections. I'd say South Korea safely qualifies for that - with or without our presence.

    Turkey? I'll admit I probably stretched my case there, though they're certainly on the road toward it, if we assume long run trends.

    Latin America, VERY few dictatorships down there now. Take a look at Chile especially. Yeah, there's the usual influence-buying down there. But the worst of the "banana republic" type of stuff is pretty much over in the major countries. 20 yrs ago, the Brazilian senate impeached the president for being as crooked as a barrel of snakes...aided by a threat of people power. So Brazil's moving in the right direction too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil75231 View Post
    This is why we don't need to wage war against China. We just need to wait until democracy worthy of the name comes to there! Just follow our playbook from the Cold War - sit back and wait for the whole edifice to collapse.

    Now I don't expect China to collapse in the spectacular way the USSR did. But what I do expect is that well within even the older posters lifetimes, there will be a "color revolution" in China, which brings in a multiparty democracy. All we gotta do is sit back and wait.
    China collapsing? That won't happen before the United Jewish States of America does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malta1066Falzon View Post
    China collapsing? That won't happen before the United Jewish States of America does.
    I meant the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China - NOT Chinese civilization in general. This thread is about the party, not the civilization. At any rate, nations collapsed even when there were no Jews to speak of. So the reference to Jews is just gratuitous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil75231 View Post
    I meant the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China - NOT Chinese civilization in general. This thread is about the party, not the civilization. At any rate, nations collapsed even when there were no Jews to speak of. So the reference to Jews is just gratuitous.

    You compared the Chinese situation with the good ol' Soviet Union and you know well that Russia was in chaos after the collapse of communism,for China it's not about the ideology but it's also part of their culture, cultures cannot collapse.

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    Go back and read post #2 if you want to get to the real point of my posts. You're confusing me with someone who DOES see China as an exact match for the USSR.

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