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    Default Muslims Students think Catholic University is too Catholic

    Muslim students at Catholic University of America complain that Christian symbols make them uncomfortable when they pray in empty classrooms

    Crucifixes? At a Catholic university? How about that.

    Of course, at the heart of this complaint is the hope of establishing a Muslim prayer space on the campus that would be subject to different standards than the rest of the university -- a little enclave of Islamic law where its ban on the display of crosses would be "respected."

    It is mentioned below that Muslim students say they like CUA because they feel "safe" and "comfortable." They are receiving the benefits of what Catholics have built at CUA, but are expecting more. They want to bend the institution to their own purposes for their own "comfort."

    They think it's a fine place, if it just weren't so, you know, Catholic, and therefore un-Islamic. "University Accused of Discriminating Against Muslims," from CUA's The Tower, October 20 (thanks to B.)....
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    Let them find their own university.

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    Why are they there, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementina View Post
    Why are they there, then?
    because they have a huge chip on their shoulder. They purposefully try to get into situations where they can claim that they have been offended or insulted.

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    I'm offended by public displays of crosses in Saudi Arabia. Wait, there aren't any...

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    They need to be informed of the fact that it is a Catholic University, and then provided directions to the nearest exit.
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    Catholic universities are too Catholic. It's a good observation on their part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by research_centre View Post
    They need to be informed of the fact that it is a Catholic University, and then provided directions to the nearest exit.
    They claim to attend because they feel "safe" and "comfortable" there. It rather reminds me of the sentiments expressed in A Few Good Men by Col. Jessup: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way."

    Really, these Saracens are happy because of the moral order and control that is provided by the sense of Catholic identity this University has, but then have the audacity to question that same identity, ignorant of anything except their own comfort and expectations and that to which they feel entitled. At best, they're spineless, insipid whiners; at worst, they're a fifth column seeking to tear down ever vestige of Western identity still left standing here among the ruins of the Civilization they swarm to like maggots to a corpse.

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    source: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...t-crosses.html

    The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.

    The investigation alleges that Muslim students “must perform their prayers surrounded by symbols of Catholicism – e.g., a wooden crucifix, paintings of Jesus, pictures of priests and theologians which many Muslim students find inappropriate.”

    A spokesperson for the Office of Human Rights told Fox News they had received a 60-page complaint against the private university. The investigation, they said, could take as long a six months.

    The complaint was filed by John Banzhaf, an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School. Banzhaf has been involved in previous litigation against the school involving the same-sex residence halls. He also alleged in his complaint involving Muslim students that women at the university were being discriminated against.

    Banzhaf said some Muslim students were particularly offended because they had to meditate in the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”

    “It shouldn’t be too difficult somewhere on the campus for the university to set aside a small room where Muslims can pray without having to stare up and be looked down upon by a cross of Jesus,” he told Fox News.

    A spokesman for Catholic University released a statement to Fox News indicating they had not seen any legal filings — but would respond once they do.

    “Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”

    In a 2010 interview with National Public Radio, university president John Garvey acknowledged that they don’t set aside prayer rooms for Muslim students.

    “We make classrooms available, or our chapels are places where they can pray,” he told NPR. “We don’t offer Halal meat, although there are always meals that conform to Halal regulations, that allow students to do what they want.”

    Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

    “It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said. “They do have to pray five times a day, they have to look around for empty classrooms and to be sitting there trying to do Muslim prayers with a big cross looking down or a picture of Jesus or a picture of the Pope is not very conductive to their religion.”

    As for the creation of a Muslim student group, Banzhaf said the university has an association of Jewish students – so why not a Muslim group?

    “I think they are entitled as a matter of law to be able to form a Muslim student association and to have the same privileges as associations,” he said. “I think that most of them would much prefer to have a place to pray – that they are not surrounded by various Catholic symbols – a place that is more conductive to their religious beliefs than being surrounded by pictures of Popes.”

    Garvey, in his 2010 interview with NPR, addressed that issue.

    “It’s just not something that we view as an activity that we want to sponsor because we’re a Catholic institution rather than Muslim,” he said.

    Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity among Catholic schools, seemed stunned by the complaint.

    “I don’t know what the attorney wants them to do – if he wants them to actually move the Basilica or if the Muslim students can find someplace where they don’t have to look at it,” he told Fox News.

    Catholic University, he said, is a Catholic institution.

    “One wouldn’t expect a Jewish institution to be responsible for providing liturgical opportunities for other faiths and I wouldn’t expect a Catholic institution to do that,” he said.

    “This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”

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