Bosnian genocide

[rashka]

On a sidenote the problem with Haague court is that it clearly is too strict upon Serbian war criminals

Not strict enough.

The full continuation of Padre's sentence is:

On a sidenote the problem with Haague court is that it clearly is too strict upon Serbian war criminals and (to a lesser extent) Croatian ones while somewhat neglecting war crimes by Bosnians.

Not strict enough for which?

[Rron]

Insider Witnesses

Perhaps the most compelling evidence that the Tribunal has heard that proves that Bosnian Serb forces killed 7,000 to 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men comes from the people who actually participated in the killing operation. In the Krstić trial, the Trial Chamber heard from Dražen Erdemović, a VRS soldier with the 10th Sabotage Detachment, who participated in one of the largest executions, which took place at the Branjevo Military Farm on 16 July 1995. Erdemović pleaded guilty to participating in these executions and later testified in the case against General Krstić.(18) Dražen Erdemović's description of how his unit killed their victims assists in getting an idea of how many people lost their lives during those five days in July.

In his testimony, Erdemović explained that his unit received orders on the morning of 16 July 1995 to go to the Branjevo Military farm. Shortly after they reached the farm, buses carrying Bosnian Muslim men began to arrive. Erdemović and the other members of his unit were given orders to shoot the prisoners. Erdemović testified that, in his estimate, they killed between 1,000 and 1,200 Bosnian Muslim men on that day alone.(19) And the Branjevo Military Farm was not the only site at which executions took place: the Trial Chamber examined evidence of mass executions at a total of nine sites, including the Branjevo Military Farm.

(a) The Morning of 13 July 1995: Jadar River
(b) The Afternoon of 13 July 1995: Čerska Valley
(c) Late Afternoon of 13 July 1995: Kravica Warehouse
(d) 13-14 July 1995: Tišća
(e) 14 July 1995: Grbavci School Detention site and Orahovac Execution site
(f) 14-15 July 1995: Petkovci School Detention Site and Petkovci Dam Execution Site
(g) 14-16 July 1995: Pilica School Detention Site and Branjevo Military Farm Execution Site
(h) 16 July 1995: Pilica Cultural Dom
(i) 14-17 July 1995: Kozluk

All of this evidence points in no uncertain terms to the accuracy of the estimate that between 7,000 and 8,000 people were executed in Srebrenica in July 1995.


Testimony from the few victims who survived the executions also clearly shows that VRS forces
were callously killing civilians or prisoners of war, in serious violation of international humanitarian law. One of the survivors of the Branjevo Military Farm executions, described above, related the moment when he was confronted by the firing squad:



When they opened fire, I threw myself on the ground…. And one man fell on my head. I think that he was killed on the spot. And I could feel the hot blood pouring over me… I could hear one man crying for help. He was begging them to kill him. And they simply said “Let him suffer. We’ll kill him later.”(25)

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot....rebrenica.html

[rashka]

An excerpt from this site: http://www.michaelparenti.org/MediaAtrocities.html
May 2000


For the better part of a decade the U.S. public has been bombarded with a media campaign to demonize the Serbian people and their elected leaders. During that time, the U.S. government has pursued a goal of breaking up Yugoslavia into a cluster of small, weak, dependent, free-market principalities. Yugoslavia was the only country in Eastern Europe that would not dismantle its welfare state and public sector economy. It was the only one that did not beg for entry into NATO. It was — and what's left of it, still is — charting an independent course not in keeping with the New World Order.

Targeting the Serbs

Of the various Yugoslav peoples, the Serbs were targeted for demonization because they were the largest nationality and the one most opposed to the breakup of Yugoslavia. But what of the atrocities they committed? All sides committed atrocities in the fighting that has been encouraged by the western powers over the last decade, but the reporting has been consistently one-sided. Grisly incidents of Croat and Muslim atrocities against the Serbs rarely made it into the U.S. press, and when they did they were accorded only passing mention. Meanwhile Serb atrocities were played up and sometimes even fabricated, as we shall see. Recently, three Croatian generals were indicted by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal for the bombardment and deaths of Serbs in Krajina and elsewhere. Where were the U.S. television crews when these war crimes were being committed? John Ranz, chair of Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA, asks: Where were the TV cameras when hundreds of Serbs were slaughtered by Muslims near Srebrenica? 2 The official line, faithfully parroted in the U.S. media, is that Bosnian Serb forces committed all the atrocities at Srebrenica

[The Lawspeaker]

Insider Witnesses

Perhaps the most compelling evidence that the Tribunal has heard that proves that Bosnian Serb forces killed 7,000 to 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men comes from the people who actually participated in the killing operation. In the Krstić trial, the Trial Chamber heard from Dražen Erdemović, a VRS soldier with the 10th Sabotage Detachment, who participated in one of the largest executions, which took place at the Branjevo Military Farm on 16 July 1995. Erdemović pleaded guilty to participating in these executions and later testified in the case against General Krstić.(18) Dražen Erdemović's description of how his unit killed their victims assists in getting an idea of how many people lost their lives during those five days in July.

In his testimony, Erdemović explained that his unit received orders on the morning of 16 July 1995 to go to the Branjevo Military farm. Shortly after they reached the farm, buses carrying Bosnian Muslim men began to arrive. Erdemović and the other members of his unit were given orders to shoot the prisoners. Erdemović testified that, in his estimate, they killed between 1,000 and 1,200 Bosnian Muslim men on that day alone.(19) And the Branjevo Military Farm was not the only site at which executions took place: the Trial Chamber examined evidence of mass executions at a total of nine sites, including the Branjevo Military Farm.

(a) The Morning of 13 July 1995: Jadar River
(b) The Afternoon of 13 July 1995: Čerska Valley
(c) Late Afternoon of 13 July 1995: Kravica Warehouse
(d) 13-14 July 1995: Tišća
(e) 14 July 1995: Grbavci School Detention site and Orahovac Execution site
(f) 14-15 July 1995: Petkovci School Detention Site and Petkovci Dam Execution Site
(g) 14-16 July 1995: Pilica School Detention Site and Branjevo Military Farm Execution Site
(h) 16 July 1995: Pilica Cultural Dom
(i) 14-17 July 1995: Kozluk

All of this evidence points in no uncertain terms to the accuracy of the estimate that between 7,000 and 8,000 people were executed in Srebrenica in July 1995.


Testimony from the few victims who survived the executions also clearly shows that VRS forces
were callously killing civilians or prisoners of war, in serious violation of international humanitarian law. One of the survivors of the Branjevo Military Farm executions, described above, related the moment when he was confronted by the firing squad:



When they opened fire, I threw myself on the ground…. And one man fell on my head. I think that he was killed on the spot. And I could feel the hot blood pouring over me… I could hear one man crying for help. He was begging them to kill him. And they simply said “Let him suffer. We’ll kill him later.”(25)

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot....rebrenica.html

Ach.. this one already dealt with that in 2003. Dutch public tv. A trial based on fraud and bribery.

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[Loddfafner]

Speaking as one who wore a "target" sign protesting the bombing of Serbia, I have to speak up against those who claim the Srebrenica massacre did not happen but should have, just as I have zero respect for those who claim that the massacres of Jews and Armenians did not happen but should have.

Srebernice played too easily into propaganda justifying yanking Serbia into the EU, but that does not mean that it didn't happen or was a trivial event. I acknowledge the horrors against previous inhabitants that made America possible, and do not understand why so many Serbs are still are so quick to deny the horrors of the Milosovic era.

[Radojica]

Not strict enough.

LoL!! It's all I can say , not even worth commenting, but as long as your sweet Albanians and their leaders are killing witnesses (which could testify for organ butchering and selling those on black market), as long as your beloved Bosniak war criminals are letting get free, Serbs deserve to get even more punished? Beautiful, especially coming from a liberal, like yourself

[Radojica]

Speaking as one who wore a "target" sign protesting the bombing of Serbia, I have to speak up against those who claim the Srebrenica massacre did not happen but should have, just as I have zero respect for those who claim that the massacres of Jews and Armenians did not happen but should have.

Srebernice played too easily into propaganda justifying yanking Serbia into the EU, but that does not mean that it didn't happen or was a trivial event. I acknowledge the horrors against previous inhabitants that made America possible, and do not understand why so many Serbs are still are so quick to deny the horrors of the Milosovic era.

It's not that problem at all, my dear Loddy, it's problem that Serbs as a whole are being represented in that way and Serbs are sicken of all of that. No sane person would deny Massacre in Srebrenica, but le'ts call the things with their real name, how about that for a change?

[Loki]

This is part of a documentry that talks about the Western intervention in the Balkans that lead to the civil wars in Yugoslavia during the 1990s. This particular part talks about how the Bosnian goverment staged atrocities in Sarajevo to turn world opinion against the Serbs. Albanians also used lies in Kosovo conflict.

So what are you saying ... that no atrocities happened? If anything, probably some of the worst ones are not even known about, swept under the carpet.

Thankfully, a new Europe is rising up ... one that is founded on democracy and human respect. No longer can despicable acts be covered up (thank God for the internet), but people will now be seen for what they are, and held responsible for their acts. The main motivators here will be of real pride, honour, openness, embarrassment and shame.

[Kanuni]

So Albanians are subhumans? Then why do they cluster will South Slavs on all the genetics tests?

Are south Slavs subhumans too?

They are not so close as you think.They cluster a bit away from Kosovars,they cluster closer to Romanians than to us.

[Minesweeper]

Speaking as one who wore a "target" sign protesting the bombing of Serbia, I have to speak up against those who claim the Srebrenica massacre did not happen but should have, just as I have zero respect for those who claim that the massacres of Jews and Armenians did not happen but should have.

Nobody claims that a war crime didn't happened in Srebrenica, but a war crime and nothing more.

However let's mention another time, that out of the oficial 8000 executed( number obviously overblown and politicized), at least 2500 were Bosnian soldiers and oficers who have been killed fighting their way to Bosnian army controled territory, therefore a legitimate targets in wartime. And let's mention that Srebrenica was sorrounded for three years and not all of them died in 1995 and that heaviest fighting in Eastern Bosnia took place around Srebrenica in 1992 and 1993.

All of those casualties are added to the oficial number of 8000 executed civilians in July 1995! Is it right or wrong?