David Cameron knows the drug laws aren't working; his failure to change them is simple cowardice

[The Lawspeaker]

Even if it doesn't show, people eventually talk.

Not if they would get hanged.

Peru and Bolivia have much lower rates of drug abuse than they should have. While White countries have much higher rates. This show that there is a difference in tolerance.

"White" countries ? Drug abuse in America and the Netherlands cannot be compared.

And what has the Netherlands done recently? Moved to stop the drugging because it was causing social problems.

Wrong. They have changed their policies to suit American and French needs (EU) and thus invited social problems back in. Street dealing has made a comeback already.

No, people don't get to make informed decisions when it comes to drugs. Because there are areas where free choice is not an option. People cannot always handle the responsibility of free choices. So in the best interest of everybody, others need to make the decisions for them.

Bollocks.

Don't make excuses. This is the real life consequence of drugs. IN a free drug market, there will be much more of this, not less. Just like Americans are more fat when they can choose fast food, even though there are healthy alternatives. And if people can't handle sugar of caffeine, they definitely can't handle drugs.

Bollocks.

You need to start reading up on stuff real soon. Trolling won't cut it.

[Mary]

Not if they would get hanged.

They would slip up eventually. Everyone does.

"White" countries ? Drug abuse in America and the Netherlands cannot be compared.

Among White people in general the rate of Cocaine abuse is very high. If you look at countries like Peru and Bolivia their rates are comparatively much lower. Because they have developed tolerance over the course of history.

Wrong. They have changed their policies to suit American and French needs (EU) and thus invited social problems back in. Street dealing has made a comeback already.

No one has forced them to change their policies. The official statements all say that it's because of increased social problems. It seems that legalizing drugs brought more crime and not less.

[Supreme American]

Among White people in general the rate of Cocaine abuse is very high. If you look at countries like Peru and Bolivia their rates are comparatively much lower. Because they have developed tolerance over the course of history.

Uhm, no, it's because poorer countries use cheaper drugs. D'oh!

[The Lawspeaker]

No one has forced them to change their policies. The official statements all say that it's because of increased social problems. It seems that legalizing drugs brought more crime and not less.

Says you. But every Dutchman knows that crime dropped AFTER it was tolerated. Dealing ? A real problem in the 1980s. Had all but disappeared in the 1990s. And how do I know that ?

Because I was raised in a neighbourhood where dealing took place and thus, unlike you, I know what I am talking about.

[Mary]

Says you. But every Dutchman knows that crime dropped AFTER it was tolerated. Dealing ? A real problem in the 1980s. Had all but disappeared in the 1990s. And how do I know that ?

Because I was raised in a neighbourhood where dealing took place and thus, unlike you, I know what I am talking about.

If the policy was working then the government wouldn't be changing it, right? But it seems that it's not working. Allowing some drugs brings more drugs and more crime to an area. The Netherlands is proof of this.

The two towns Roosendaal and Bergen op Zoom announced in October 2008 that they would start closing all coffee shops, each week visited by up to 25000 French and Belgian drug tourists, with closures beginning in February 2009.[36][37]

In May 2011 the Dutch government announced that tourist are to be banned from Dutch coffee shops, starting in the southern provinces and at the end of 2011 in the rest of the country.
"In order to tackle the nuisance and criminality associated with coffee shops and drug trafficking, the open-door policy of coffee shops will end," (the Dutch health and justice ministers in a letter to the Dutch parliament)[2]

A government committee delivered in June 2011 a report about Cannabis to the Dutch government. It includes a proposal that cannabis with more than 15 percent THC should be labeled as hard drugs.[38] Higher concentrations of THC and drug tourism have challenged the current policy and led to a re-examination of the current approach; for eg. ban of all sales of cannabis to tourists in coffee shops from end of 2011 was proposed but currently only the border city of Maastricht has adopted the measure in order to test out its feasibility.[39] According to the initial measure, starting in 2012, each coffee shop was to operate like a private club with some 1,000 to 1,500 members. In order to qualify for a membership card, applicants would have to be adult Dutch citizens, membership was only to be allowed in one club. [4]

In Amsterdam 26 coffeeshops in the De Wallen area will have to close their doors between 1 September 2012 and 31 August 2015.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_po...t_developments

[The Lawspeaker]

If the policy was working then the government wouldn't be changing it, right? But it seems that it's not working. Allowing some drugs brings more drugs and more crime to an area. The Netherlands is proof of this.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_po...t_developments

The health and justice ministers are big government people. I would expect you to at least do a background check into those two. The Netherlands is proof of the contrary: drug problems in my area ceased to exist.

I lived there, Mary, unlike you. Or get yourself informed real soon or drop the subject altogether. Some more for you. And know one thing: most buyers in Amsterdam are British, French, Belgian or American. The Americans are a very large group.

About Ab Klink (former minister of Healthcare):

Hoewel zijn voorganger Hans Hoogervorst de horeca tot 2009 de ruimte wilde geven het roken terug te dringen, gaf Klink bij zijn ambtsaanvaarding aan dat hij binnen een jaar tijd een rookverbod in de horeca wilde invoeren.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup> Het verbod ging uiteindelijk op 1 juli 2008 in. Op aandringen van de Tweede Kamer voerde Klink per 1 december 2008 tevens een verbod op paddo's in.
In 2007 wijzigde hij de Zorgverzekeringswet en de zorgtoeslag. De no-claimteruggave werd hierbij vervangen door een verplicht eigen risico. Ook bracht hij de Wet publieke gezondheid en de Wet ambulancezorg tot stand. In 2008 bracht hij samen met collega-minister Gerda Verburg de nota Gezonde voeding, van begin tot eind uit, waarin de aandacht werd gevestigd op goede voedingsgewoonten bij zowel ouderen als jongeren.
In 2009 was Klink als minister van VWS verantwoordelijk voor de inentingen ter bate van de bestrijding van de Mexicaanse griep en voor de HPV-vaccinaties bij meisjes.

Many Dutch considered him to be a "scary" figure and a threat to democracy. Donner is even more disliked throughout the country never mind his successor.

[Mary]

The health and justice ministers are big government people. I would expect you to at least do a background check into those two. The Netherlands is proof of the contrary: drug problems in my area ceased to exist.

I lived there, Mary, unlike you. Or get yourself informed real soon or drop the subject altogether. Some more for you. And know one thing: most buyers in Amsterdam are British, French, Belgian or American. The Americans are a very large group.

About Ab Klink (former minister of Healthcare):



Many Dutch considered him to be a "scary" figure and a threat to democracy. Donner is even more disliked throughout the country never mind his successor.

Let's look at their statement again:

"In order to tackle the nuisance and criminality associated with coffee shops and drug trafficking, the open-door policy of coffee shops will end," the Dutch health and justice ministers wrote in a letter to the country's parliament.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tourists-fa...023932774.html

Are they making this up because they are "big government people"? That doesn't make any sense. It's more likely that drugs attract a certain kind of people. And that those people bring social problems with them.