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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    In French, estrée (North) has been lost, as well as charričre and carričre (except in the metaphorical sense of 'carričre professionnelle'), having been replaced by chaussée (a paved road made of stones held together by lime mortar, chaux, hence Eng. causeway).

    In the South of France the related word caussade is found in placenames. Did it ever made it in Catalan and further West?
    Yes. It's calçada in Catalan and Portuguese, and calzada in Spanish.

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    Another interesting word is draille, used in the mountains of Southern France for "cattle drive", "věa pecuaria", related to Lat. trahere and Eng. trail. Any possible relationship to Port. trilho?
    Interesting. But no relationship. Trilho comes from the verb for 'to thresh', trilhar in Portuguese, trillar in the rest of Iberia, which come from Latin tribulare.

    Quote Originally Posted by hummelbiene View Post
    Eu concordo. Só ler um pouco de portugues 'básico', a influencia francesa é clara. Palavras tais como "aniversário" (em vez de 'cumpleanos' em espanhol) - embora se pudesse argumentar que este exemplo nao é influenciado pelo frances - a palavra catala é aniversari). Outras palavras como 'garçom' sao indubitavelmente de origem francesa. Outras das que me lembro sao 'vinho rosé' em vez de 'vinho rosado' (do espanhol). Mas penso também que a influencia francesa é as vezes um pouco exagerada. Por exemplo, pensar que a ortografia (especialmente quanto aos verbos em portugues) se deve muito ao frances é errado. E.g. o verbo frances 'faire' nao influenciou 'fazer' em portugues (o espanhol 'hacer'), e o mesmo com palavras como 'o ferro' e 'le fer' (esp: hierro). Esta mudanca do 'h' em epsanhol a 'f' em portugues nao se relaciona de forma nenhuma com a influencia francesa. Outras línguas romances retiveram o 'f' e.g. o italiano, o catalao, o galego etc. (parece-me que só o castalhano experimentou aquela mudanca linguistica).
    Yes, I'd say it's been very exaggerated.

    F is retained in all Romance languages but two, Spanish and Gascon. Precisely those two born on a place inhabited by Basques, who have never liked initial f's in their language.

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