Portuguese accent Celtic-influenced?

[Anthropologique]

What evidence is there that any Celtic language was nasalised?

Have you heard of the principle of Occam's Razor? It means that all else being equal, the simplest explanation is the best. Breton has existed alongside French, and been influenced by it, for 1500 years, and French is a very nasalised language.

Yes, I've heard of Occam's Razor.

I've added to my last post. Go to the blog listed as a start.

[Wulfhere]

Portuguese is much more nasalized than latin, and (Visi)Gothic isn't exactly very nasal (the language was quickly abandoned by germanics after arriving in Iberia anyway).

There is no evidence that any Celtic language was nasalised, yet we know Latin was, as are its descendants.

[Vasconcelos]

There is no evidence that any Celtic language was nasalised, yet we know Latin was, as are its descendants.

If you bother to read what I wrote before you'll realize I'm not defending that Portuguese is nasalized because of Celtic language(s).

[Odoacer]

Portuguese is much more nasalized than latin, and (Visi)Gothic isn't exactly very nasal (the language was quickly abandoned by germanics after arriving in Iberia anyway).

Yes, it's more nasalized than Latin: In Portuguese, nasal vowels replace vowel + nasal consonant combinations. But what is the reason to suppose that Portuguese vowel nasalization was the result of Celtic influence, as the OP proposes?

[Wulfhere]

If you bother to read what I wrote before you'll realize I'm not defending that Portuguese is nasalized because of Celtic language(s).

But you did say that Breton was, which is rubbish, because Welsh and Cornish aren't. It is clear that any nasalisation in Breton comes from French influence, and French is so nasalised it sounds like they've all got colds.

[Vasconcelos]

But you did say that Breton was, which is rubbish, because Welsh and Cornish aren't. It is clear that any nasalisation in Breton comes from French influence, and French is so nasalised it sounds like they've all got colds.

Oh the quote, I took it from wiki

I do not know if it's french influenced or not, as I do not know Breton.


EDIT: This begs the question, why did French become so nasalized aswell?

[Wulfhere]

You're mistaking me for Anthropologique. I find that flattering, but I'm not him.

I do not know Breton, therefore I don't speak about it, I like to be honest, unlike some people on these forums who talk about stuff they have no clue about.

Apologies, in that case.

[Vasconcelos]

Apologies, in that case.

I'm sorry, I edited the post, you might want to take a new look at it.
Thank you for quoting anyway. (no sarcasm)

[Wulfhere]

I'm sorry, I edited the post, you might want to take a new look at it.
Thank you for quoting anyway. (no sarcasm)

The question of why French is so nasalised is an interesting one. Norman French wasn't, but that no longer exists. The extreme, even comical nasalisation exhibited by French seems to be a development of recent centuries.

[Catrau]

Lusitanean language inscriptions written in latin letters.

One could imagine how it sound like... (?)

Arroyo de la Luz (III), Caceres

http://www.celtiberia.net/verimg.asp?id=5147


ISAICCID. RVETI. PVPPID. CARLAE. EN ETOM. INDI. NA(.) (....) CE. IOM. M
Thus the posthumous rise of Carla, an input and a pure friend recall her.



Cabeço das Fráguas, Guarda
II century dC
http://www.portugalromano.com/2011/0...o-das-fraguas/


OILAM TREBOPALA - a sheep to Trebopala (protecting god of the comunity)
INDI PORCOM LAEBO - and a pig to Laebo (god of hope)
COMMAIAM ICCONA LOIM - offering to Iccona Loim (healing light goddess)
INNA OILAM VSSEAM - a one year old sheep
TREBARVNE INDI TAVROM IFADEM[…] - to Trebaruna (village confident) and a bull stud
REVE TRE[…] - to Reue Trebona (spirit of the Earth)

Castro do Cabeço das Fráguas





Lamas de Moledo, Castro d'Aire (Viseu)
II century dC
http://www.portugalromano.com/2011/0...mas-de-moledo/


RUFUS ET
TIRO SCRIP
SERUNT
VEAMINICORI
DOENTI
ANGOM
LAMATICOM
CROUCEAO
MACA
REAICOI PETRANOI R(?)
ADOM PORCOM IOUEAS(?)
CAELOBRICOI

Rufino and Tiro determined: The Clan of Veaminis (Veamini) to offer a defensive hill to the queen mother of the prestigious Petranios. Ensuring (providing) a thriving pig for young Caelobrigenses people (citizens) .