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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Nirsch View Post
    It sounds like Brazilian
    Brazilian is not a language. Brazil's language is Portuguese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    The writing influence is not French, but Occitan (close enough). Some of the writing forms were intruduced by an Occitan who became Bishop of Braga in 1100.
    Good info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hummelbiene View Post
    When I went to Portugal and looked at some of the language, it surprised me the French influence on the vocabulary (much more so than e.g. in Spanish). Perhaps French could have influenced?
    No. I can't figure out how French could have any influence on Portuguese. Portugal and core France (i.e. the North) are worlds apart.

    You know, it's just like the strange similarities between Spanish and Italian (which were originally separated by umpteen miles and many dialects like Catalan, Languedocian, Provençal, Ligurian etc.). And more specifically, which Italian dialect is closest to Spanish? Venetian, in the Italian deep Northeast, the Italian province that ist most remote from the Iberian South-West of Europe!

    Of all Romance languages, the most syllable-timed is Spanish. As a matter of fact Venetian comes as close second (typical Italian double consonants are carefully ignored there).

    Look at a map of Venice, you'll find (for instance) a 'Calle San Salvador' (in standard Italian it should be 'Via San Salvatore'). Sounds very Spanish, isn't it?

    But this is just a random encounter, which doesn't imply any parentage in any way.

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    Any influence that French had on Portuguese would have come during the 19th century, when French was seen as classy.
    Fernando Pessoa
    "O mar com fim será grego ou romano: O mar sem fim é português."

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    Micaelense is French influenced.

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    Just a few vocabulary examples that I remember (Portuguese, French, Spanish respettively):
    chapéu - chapeau - sombrero?
    rua - rue - calle?
    greve - greve - huelga?

    and there are many others (where Spanish seems the isolate in comparison with French and Portuguese)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hummelbiene View Post
    Just a few vocabulary examples that I remember (Portuguese, French, Spanish respettively):
    chapéu - chapeau - sombrero?
    rua - rue - calle?
    greve - greve - huelga?

    and there are many others (where Spanish seems the isolate in comparison with French and Portuguese)
    The word rua is also sometimes used in Salamanca province, much of which borders N. Portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hummelbiene View Post
    rua - rue - calle?
    Just a random coincidence.

    In the old town centre of Modena (Emilia, Italy), streets are also called rua.

    Which is not any more meaningfull than the calle of Venice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by plastictuga View Post
    Micaelense is French influenced.
    I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hummelbiene View Post
    I think that if any other language did influence the nasalisation of Portuguese it was French. When I went to Portugal and looked at some of the language, it surprised me the French influence on the vocabulary (much more so than e.g. in Spanish).
    And in gramatics too... the same tortuous rules..

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