Portuguese accent Celtic-influenced?

[Wulfhere]

Wrong!

Roman presence was (logically) intense in the Mediterranean part of France, and more generally in the Southern half of the country (except for the mountainous districts of Auvergne), and was very important too in the North-East, for obvious strategical reasons, in front of the Germanic build-up along the Rhine.

But in the West/Northwest (Brittany, Maine, Anjou, Touraine, Normandy, Picardy, that weren't of any strategic value) there was little to no Roman presence. Consequently, if there was any region able to retain some Celtic culture for a longer time than elsewhere, it had to be there.

Thanks for playing, try again, good luck next time.

The literary record clearly indicates what I said. The rest is just speculation.

[Catrau]

Occitano





I kinda liked the place.
Hey Vasconcelos, I'll let French gramatics go.

[Atlantic Islander]

I don't think so.

It is. That's why it tends to sound strange even to the other islanders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ke8loeb1Jc

this one's even better, it's really difficult to understand him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZh9...feature=relmfu

[Vasconcelos]

It is. That's why it tends to sound strange even to the other islanders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ke8loeb1Jc

this one's even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZh9...feature=relmfu

I always thought it sounded somewhat similar to french, but is there something to confirm this?



btw plastictuga, do you speak Portuguese? Think all of your posts I've read so far were in English.

[Atlantic Islander]

I always thought it sounded somewhat similar to french, but is there something to confirm this?

Probably because of the French settlers:

"The impact of this early diversity, especially Flemish (in Faial) and French Breton (in São Miguel), can still be seen and heard among many Azorean descendants today."

"The French presence, by contrast, is much less documented, but many historians and linguists agree that some early settlers came from Brittany and they point to an area known as Bretanha in northwestern São Miguel as evidence (Chapin 1989). In addition, the very distinctive ―French sounding‖ vowels (i.e. ―ü‖ vs. ―ooh‖ and ―euh‖ vs. ―oye‖) – which characterize the variety of Portuguese spoken on the island (known as Micaelense) – are believed to have been influenced by a francophone presence.9"

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/b...PhD_thesis.pdf

btw plastictuga, do you speak Portuguese? Think all of your posts I've read so far were in English.

I speak it, but cannot write it.

[Apina]

Just a random coincidence.

In the old town centre of Modena (Emilia, Italy), streets are also called rua.

Which is not any more meaningfull than the calle of Venice.

Maybe... though I found some articles (I do not know how reliable they are) that do say it is due to French (Provençal) influence:

Other languages that have influenced Portuguese include French, due to the infiltration of French manners and customs in Portugal during the tenth and eleventh centuries, when Frenchmen went to Portugal as pilgrims, courtiers, statesmen, scholars, and soldiers of fortune to help fight the Moors. There were also influences of Provençal, a language from the south of France, with words such as rua ("street"), similar to the French rue.

http://www.golisbon.com/practical-lisbon/language.html

Provençal, a language from the south of France, also influenced Portuguese. It did this with words such as rua (“street”), comparable to the French word rue.

http://www.bbportuguese.com/influenc...-language.html

Who knows? :confused2:

[Ouistreham]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ke8loeb1Jc

this one's even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZh9...feature=relmfu

I always thought it sounded somewhat similar to french, but is there something to confirm this?

Well... It sounds like anything but French.

(I don't want to be abusive, but...) it rather reminds Polish with a definite Semitic flavour. A bit like Russian Hebrew.

Probably because of the French settlers:

"The impact of this early diversity, especially Flemish (in Faial) and French Breton (in São Miguel), can still be seen and heard among many Azorean descendants today."

"The French presence, by contrast, is much less documented, but many historians and linguists agree that some early settlers came from Brittany and they point to an area known as Bretanha in northwestern São Miguel as evidence (Chapin 1989). In addition, the very distinctive ―French sounding‖ vowels (i.e. ―ü‖ vs. ―ooh‖ and ―euh‖ vs. ―oye‖) – which characterize the variety of Portuguese spoken on the island (known as Micaelense) – are believed to have been influenced by a francophone presence.9"

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/b...PhD_thesis.pdf

This is absolutely crazy!...

A language's phonology is a closed autonomous system. Mutual influences can exist only in some definite situations:

. When a minority language has been dominated by another for centuries: Scottish Gaelic sounds like Scottish English, Spanish Catalan like Spanish, Breton like French, Dutch Frisian like Dutch (but German Frisian like German!) etc.

. Along linguistic borders (but not always). In Switzerland, in towns like Bienne or Fribourg, French- and German-speakers tend to develop vaguely similar intonations. Same phenomenon in Lorraine, Luxembourg or Brussels.

On the other hand, Canadian French is still largely immune to English influences (except in some local communities that are on their way to final assimilation).

[Sikeliot]

It is. That's why it tends to sound strange even to the other islanders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ke8loeb1Jc

this one's even better, it's really difficult to understand him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZh9...feature=relmfu

It sounds more like Polish or Czech than like French.

[Ouistreham]

If anything, all Western Romance languages but for Aragonese have been influenced by Celtic.

This is strange.

Northern Aragon is the only place in Spain (with the Aran Valley of course) where a Celtic legacy can be detected in popular culture.

Vernacular architecture in a city like Bielsa is strikingly reminiscent of Central France, Brittany or Scotland:

If anything, all Western Romance languages but for Aragonese have been influenced by Celtic. That is, Portuguese, Galician, Asturian, Spanish, Catalan, Gascon-Occitan, the French-Oilitan languages, Arpitan and the Rhaeto-Padanian languages.

There are indeed similarities between Romance and Celtic (but also Germanic) languages, as for vocabulary and syntactical structures, that make them very different from Latin. IMHO the influences must be traced back to the time of formation of Proto-Romance. Which could be the reason why all Western Romance languages and dialects share a common stock of Celtic (cambiare, battere etc.) and Germanic (guerra, blanco etc.) words, even those that never had any contact with Germanic or Celtic tribes.

[Atlantic Islander]

Well... It sounds like anything but French.

(I don't want to be abusive, but...) it rather reminds Polish with a definite Semitic flavour. A bit like Russian Hebrew.



This is absolutely crazy!...

A language's phonology is a closed autonomous system. Mutual influences can exist only in some definite situations:

. When a minority language has been dominated by another for centuries: Scottish Gaelic sounds like Scottish English, Spanish Catalan like Spanish, Breton like French, Dutch Frisian like Dutch (but German Frisian like German!) etc.

. Along linguistic borders (but not always). In Switzerland, in towns like Bienne or Fribourg, French- and German-speakers tend to develop vaguely similar intonations. Same phenomenon in Lorraine, Luxembourg or Brussels.

On the other hand, Canadian French is still largely immune to English influences (except in some local communities that are on their way to final assimilation).

I didn't say it sounded just like French, just that it's French influenced. And it's not like it sounds terrible, it's just difficult to understand.