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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuan Belanda View Post
    That's what Greece hopes but don't count on it. Greece would be fighting that war on it's own. The Greeks are more then clever enough to realise it so I guess what Greece would do is gnash it's teeth, stay neutral and bring as many Cypriot Greeks as they can to Greece.

    Going to war would be madness (no Sparta but pure folly).
    Perhaps Russia might come to help it's Orthodox brother, but it would be stupid of Russia to do so, because it depends largely on the Caucasus for economic and strategic reasons and especially the latter, and within many ethnic groups who do hope for such event to take place, would mean their independence or the reality of a Pan-Turkic dream in being unified with Turkey, and hence Russia would lose one of it's most important strategic reasons and it simply could not afford to risk it. Turkey is a regional superpower and hence no joke. Many Chechens, Adyghes, but especially the Balkars and Karachays have sympathy with Turkey and Turkish flags often fly high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircassianWine View Post
    Perhaps Russia might come to help it's Orthodox brother, but it would be stupid of Russia to do so, because it depends largely on the Caucasus for economic and strategic reasons and especially the latter, and within many ethnic groups who do hope for such event to take place, would mean their independence or the reality of a Pan-Turkic dream in being unified with Turkey, and hence Russia would lose one of it's most important strategic reasons and it simply could not afford to risk it. Turkey is a regional superpower and hence no joke. Many Chechens, Adyghes, but especially the Balkars and Karachays have sympathy with Turkey and Turkish flags often fly high.
    Not too mention the fact that it would attack a NATO member which would call in art. 5. That would mean WW III.
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    Macedonians are partly Greek even former Yugos and Bulgarians are mostly Pontid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuan Belanda View Post
    Russia wouldn't act either particularly if Greece starts and Turkey could actually call in art. 5 (NATO) meaning that we would be obliged to declare war on Greece whether we like it or not.
    All in all: it would be a very ugly mess.
    First of all, what makes you think that Nato will side with Turkey? They will side with the one that did NOT start the war. If Turkey starts it, they will side with Greece, if Greece starts it, they will side with Turkey.

    Secondly, if Turkey starts a war with Greece, do you think that the 15 millions of Kurds stay silent? Armenians?

    Not long ago, I was talking with a Turkish friend of mine. First, she said to me that Turkey doesn't really deal with Greece, because they have more important things to deal, and to be named: Kurds, that they are bombing and killing them all the time. Secondly, in case of war with Greece (we were making fun of this-she is a very good friend), Kurds and Armenians, will find a way to attack Turkey, one way or another.

    In that case, if Turkey, Kurds and Armenians will fighting with Greece, Russia wouldn't mind to be invloved, since Turkey will already busy with 3 different attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    First of all, what makes you think that Nato will side with Turkey? They will side with the one that did NOT start the war. If Turkey starts it, they will side with Greece, if Greece starts it, they will side with Turkey.

    Secondly, if Turkey starts a war with Greece, do you think that the 15 millions of Kurds stay silent? Armenians?

    Not long ago, I was talking with a Turkish friend of mine. First, she said to me that Turkey doesn't really deal with Greece, because they have more important things to deal, and to be named: Kurds, that they are bombing and killing them all the time. Secondly, in case of war with Greece (we were making fun of this-she is a very good friend), Kurds and Armenians, will find a way to attack Turkey, one way or another.

    In that case, if Turkey, Kurds and Armenians will fighting with Greece, Russia wouldn't mind to be invloved, since Turkey will already busy with 3 different attacks.
    Well. The scenario would be that Turkey would invade Cyprus (big deal.. since Cyprus is not in NATO). Greece would intervene and declare war on Turkey. Big mistake because that would be an attack on a NATO member.

    And what do the Kurds want to do against the Turkish Army ? Or the Armenians. That would be a mess. That would be the end of them all. No they wouldn't be so stupid because NATO would consider Armenia an aggressor against Turkey and obliterate Armenia. No that would be a mess and it wouldn't happen.

    Russia wouldn't bother going to war: they have their trade with Europe and are in no mood for WWIII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    First of all, what makes you think that Nato will side with Turkey? They will side with the one that did NOT start the war. If Turkey starts it, they will side with Greece, if Greece starts it, they will side with Turkey.

    Secondly, if Turkey starts a war with Greece, do you think that the 15 millions of Kurds stay silent? Armenians?

    Not long ago, I was talking with a Turkish friend of mine. First, she said to me that Turkey doesn't really deal with Greece, because they have more important things to deal, and to be named: Kurds, that they are bombing and killing them all the time. Secondly, in case of war with Greece (we were making fun of this-she is a very good friend), Kurds and Armenians, will find a way to attack Turkey, one way or another.

    In that case, if Turkey, Kurds and Armenians will fighting with Greece, Russia wouldn't mind to be invloved, since Turkey will already busy with 3 different attacks.
    The Kurds are a joke, without Israeli and American support they are not a threat at all. The only reason they have become a threat is because of America that has empowered them in Northern Iraq. Yet the Kurds want to annex the Syrian Desert regions only to have their butts kicked by the more primtive Bedouins who made them retreat, I would not count on them for support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuan Belanda View Post
    We had warned you, Mosov.
    I fail to see how the current discussion about Kurds is relevant to the topic either, so shouldn't those posts be warned also? All I was doing was making a clarification for the record, as I was falsely accused of "hijacking" this thread. Before accusing other members of hijacking threads, please actually take the time to read over the thread. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    First of all, what makes you think that Nato will side with Turkey? They will side with the one that did NOT start the war. If Turkey starts it, they will side with Greece, if Greece starts it, they will side with Turkey.

    Secondly, if Turkey starts a war with Greece, do you think that the 15 millions of Kurds stay silent? Armenians?

    Not long ago, I was talking with a Turkish friend of mine. First, she said to me that Turkey doesn't really deal with Greece, because they have more important things to deal, and to be named: Kurds, that they are bombing and killing them all the time. Secondly, in case of war with Greece (we were making fun of this-she is a very good friend), Kurds and Armenians, will find a way to attack Turkey, one way or another.

    In that case, if Turkey, Kurds and Armenians will fighting with Greece, Russia wouldn't mind to be invloved, since Turkey will already busy with 3 different attacks.
    Umm, you guys already tried that in the Turkish independence war... and lost badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosov View Post
    I fail to see how the current discussion about Kurds is relevant to the topic either, so shouldn't those posts be warned also? All I was doing was making a clarification for the record, as I was falsely accused of "hijacking" this thread. Before accusing other members of hijacking threads, please actually take the time to read over the thread. Thanks.
    I think we were very clear on it.
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