Definition of Celtic / Celticity

[Mingle]

Also I hate to tell you that I am fully native Iberian and my Y-DNA peaks in freaking Ireland and Scotland. I must have gotten it by magic. Lets see which Y-DNA you will get when your results arrive Lets see if it is a Celtic haplogroup as well.

You probably have a different subclade from British Islanders, as that's usually the case.

[Enflamme]

Celtic doesn't exist.

[The.Mask]

Celtic culture originated in central Europe. Hallstatt Austria.
the short woggish romans described them as being pale,tall warriors who breathed fire and they were scared shitless.

italics absorbed older populations in the italian peninsula which is why italians are dark.

also i never said they were scandinavian looking. they're their own thing.

celts were actually subhumans who were totally genocides by Romans even though celts were the most numerous people in Europe by the time stretching from northern iberia to western and northwestern Europe and central Europe.

They were eradicated.

Also roman soldiers were not short, especially during the imperial age when Illyrian soldiery rised to very high levels.


The typical Albania haplogroup Ev-13 was founded in high abundance in all roman military settlements in Britain when they conquered it.

[Al-Meksiki]

It's a language group, same as the concept of Slavs

[Profileid]

celts were actually subhumans who were totally genocides by Romans even though celts were the most numerous people in Europe by the time stretching from northern iberia to western and northwestern Europe and central Europe.

They were eradicated.

Also roman soldiers were not short, especially during the imperial age when Illyrian soldiery rised to very high levels.


The typical Albania haplogroup Ev-13 was founded in high abundance in all roman military settlements in Britain when they conquered it.

How were they subhumans or totally eradicated? The ones in Gaul adopted Roman culture but were still genetically the same people.
There's no evidence at all to suggest they were totally eradicated.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Celtic culture originated in central Europe. Hallstatt Austria.
the short woggish romans described them as being pale,tall warriors who breathed fire and they were scared shitless.

italics absorbed older populations in the italian peninsula which is why italians are dark.

also i never said they were scandinavian looking. they're their own thing.

Not all Italians are the same and not all are dark like us southerners, don't you know? How ignorant must you be to say that Romans were "short woggish and scared shitless"? Do you even know that about 20-40% of the difference in height between individuals can be attributed to environmental effects, mainly nutrition? Insufficient protein can lead to a perceptible reduction in height even where the caloric intake is adequate, as has been shown by a number of studies, so that reductions in the consumption of meat or vegetable protein in the working class diet which would only be revealed by detailed surveys of consumption can be detected through anthropometric evidence. The relatively recent reappearance of significant quantities of meat in modern European lower class diets is likely an important factor in the marked improvement in mean heights over the last two centuries, just as the continued, albeit narrowing, gap between the heights of Southern and Northern Europeans over the last two centuries is presumably attributable to the more restricted use of meat in the traditional Mediterranean diet. For example data derived from burials show that before 1850, the mean stature of males and females in Leiden, Netherlands was respectively 166.7cm (5' 5.6") and 156.7cm (5' 1.7"), the average height of 19-year-old Dutch orphans in 1865 was 160 cm (5' 3"). Nero recruited the Legio I Italica and the original legionaries were Italics, all over 182cm tall. They have been able to estimate the mean height of Italian adult males at 168.3 cm (5' 6.4"), by synthesizing the results of 49 separate studies, based upon the measurement of long bones from 927 adult male skeletons from throughout Italy dated between 500 BC and 500 AD. We are dealing with adult males of all ages, not, with young men. It is very well documented that males tend to reach their final height between 18 and their early 20s depending upon their level of nutrition, and that their height gradually declines thereafter, particularly in middle and old age, by a good 3cm or more according to some estimates. The average height of Italian conscripts born in 1854 was a mere 162.64cm, over 5cm or 2 inches shorter than deceased Romans. Not until 1956, when the age cohort born in 1936 reached military age, would a segment of the modem Italian population match the Romans in height and therefore nutrition. Two Italian physical anthropologists, S. M. Borgognini Tarli and F. Mazzotta, have compiled and averaged measurements of long bone lengths from Italian anthropological studies prior to 1983, examining a total of 459 papers studying Italian skeletal remains dating from 2000 BC through 1000 AD, these measurements yield an average stature for Roman era Italians of 167.46cm. Vegetius emphasized the shortcomings of the Roman Army in his lifetime. To do this, he eulogised the army of the early Empire. In particular, he stresses the high standard of the legionaries and the excellence of the training and the officer corps. In reality, Vegetius probably describes an ideal rather than the reality. The army of the early Empire was a formidable fighting force, but it probably was not in its entirety quite as good as Vegetius describes. In particular, the 5' 10" minimum height limit identified by Vegetius would have excluded the majority of the men in Roman times (the Roman foot was less than the English foot, at 11.65 inches; hence, 5' 10" Roman is 5' 7.5" in modern terms, which is just above average height of Roman (Italian) men of the time from skeletal evidence from Herculaneum in 79 AD). The major samples from Herculaneum and Pompeii reveal that the average height for females was calculated from the data to have been 155cm in Herculaneum and 154cm in Pompeii: that for males was 169cm in Herculaneum and 166cm in Pompeii. This is somewhat higher than the average height of modern Neapolitans in the 1960s and about 10 cm shorter than the WHO recommendations for modern world populations. The emperor Valentinian (364–375) lowered the height limit to 5' 7" Roman which equals 5' 5". Despite the romanticism extolling the idealized virtues of the Roman legion of an earlier time, Vegetius' De Re Militari remains a reliable and useful insight into the success of the early Roman Empire. Vegetius also commented on the great stature of German warriors: "what could the short Roman soldier dare to do again the tall German?" Such tales may have been stereotyping or even propaganda, an attempt to portray the Germanic warrior as fierce and dangerous, a worthy foe for the Roman legionary. Were northern Europeans taller, on average, than their Mediterranean counterparts, or is this a myth? What we need is some comparison of ancient skeletons from southern Europe (the Mediterranean) with a similar sized sample from northern Europe. Two climatologists, Nikola Koepke and Joerg Baten, examined thousands of skeletons from across the continent and from the past 2000 years. They were looking for a relationship between the sizes of people in the past in relation to climatic temperature. They found that bodies from the north were generally taller than their Mediterranean counterparts, due most probably to low population densities and a long-standing, protein-rich diet based on cattle-rearing practices. Germanic folk were on average 1.63cm taller, giving the German tribesmen an average height of 170cm. Germans were by no means "giants" in comparison to some of their Italian officers, but on the whole were taller and probably slightly better built than them.

A map showing the average height of men in the British Isles, 1897





Table 1: Greco-Roman skeletal remains. Mean Heights (cm) of late Iron age and Roman era Italian males




Table 2: the dates at which nations achieved particular mean heights mean height achieved (cm)

[Peterski]

Celtic Britons were genetically just like modern British people:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4452921

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4468667

Modern English people, like Norb, are mostly Celtic-descended:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4464054

Similarity rates of Hinxton-1 (Celtic Briton from 160 BC - 26 AD) to modern populations:



Similarity rates of Hinxton-4 (Celtic Briton from 170 BC - 80 AD) to modern populations:



RISE174 (427-611 AD) shows how the genetic profile of Anglo-Saxon invaders looked like:

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Celtic Britons were genetically just like modern British people

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You probably have a different subclade from British Islanders, as that's usually the case.

Perhaps and perhaps not. I got 18% Northwestern European from which at least 6% is British\Irish. Nearly 15% of it is still unassigned though, I hope in the future they will fix it.

[Bell Beaker]

Even if Celtic languages are dying in Britain and NW France, many people still have huge amounts of Celtic ancestry, like the Irish, Scottish, Welsh, the English, Swiss, Austrians and the French.

Portuguese, Spaniards, and North Central Italians have also significant amounts of it!