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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    I could not care less about the rest of Europe or Western Europe. I am talking about my land, which for sure remains much more traditions, toponyms and archaelogical sites than most of the rest of these countries.
    Pretty sure you aren't able to prove anything you said. Celtic toponymy isn't particularly concentrated in Spain compared to the rest of Western Europe:


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    I wonder if anyone else on here but me has a Celtic surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Pretty sure you aren't able to prove anything you said. Celtic toponymy isn't particularly concentrated in Spain compared to the rest of Western Europe:

    I dont need to prove anything, you did. Thanks to prove my points in that map Even Ireland is a joke compared with Spain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    I dont need to prove anything, you did. Thanks to prove my points in that map Even Ireland is a joke compared with Spain
    The map doesn't includes data for western Ireland, which is why it is painted white.

    If anything, the map shows that Spain is a joke compared to Britain and France. Now why don't you show us some of the many extremely Celtic traditions of Spain, Cristiano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    I wonder if anyone else on here but me has a Celtic surname.
    Yes my maiden surname is Celtic as was my mother's but as I'm sure with yourself we all use the Anglicised versions.

    You also get some people from the Gaeltacht like Gráinne Seoige in English that would be Grace Joyce and Joyce is a surname of Norman origin. There are quite a few native Irish speakers that have Norman surnames which is a bit strange to think about. A good example is Peig Sayers who was a native Irish speaker and seanchaí who wrote stories in Irish but Sayers is a Norman origin name. No doubt that someone like Gráinne Seoige and Peig Sayers would be Celts as Gráinne is a native from the Gaeltacht and Peig was an Irish speaker from the last century.

    So I agree that for people to call themselves Celts they should be speakers of a Celtic language. Someone that has no connection to the Celts other than through ancient history is not a Celt. Most countries have so many influences that the only thing people could say is that their country had Celtic influences which obviously many countries had including places like the Czech Republic. The only countries that can be members of the Celtic League for example have a living Celtic language, excepting Cornwall for some strange reason, as their Celtic language died out in the last century. Their reasoning is obvious in that their main objective is to preserve the Celtic languages that are still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Pretty sure you aren't able to prove anything you said. Celtic toponymy isn't particularly concentrated in Spain compared to the rest of Western Europe:

    How is all of Ireland without Celtic toponymy when their names are from the Irish language which is Celtic? That's a bit odd?

    Actually if you read the Reddit thread on the map

    It seems to be due to the sources. The names are pulled from ancient Roman and Greek sources. Ireland was never conquered, and the Roman presence there was mostly limited to trading on the east coast. So while Britain has many records, Ireland is severely lacking.
    There aren’t. The map is wrong. Or it’s using Latin sources as noted elsewhere in this post.

    Ireland is full of Celtic place names, Anglicised from Irish. Irish is a Goidelic Celtic language. And by “full” I mean literally nearly every place name is derived from Irish. I can think of only a very few exceptions.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...across_europe/

    I looked for the source of the map and found it was posted in Reddit because I thought how odd when Ireland is full of Celtic names.

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    Here we go which explains why Ireland is so bereft. It is a map from classical sources.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    How is all of Ireland without Celtic toponymy when their names are from the Irish language which is Celtic? That's a bit odd?

    Actually if you read the Reddit thread on the map

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...across_europe/

    I looked for the source of the map and found it was posted in Reddit because I thought how odd when Ireland is full of Celtic names.
    The map doesn't includes data for Ireland as i wrote in my previous post, and that's why it is painted in white like eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    The map doesn't includes data for Ireland as i wrote in my previous post, and that's why it is painted in white like eastern Europe.
    I missed that. Cross posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    The map doesn't includes data for western Ireland, which is why it is painted white.
    As white as Morocco

    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    If anything, the map shows that Spain is a joke compared to Britain and France.
    Then you should put glasses, Spain, specially the Western part, is quite colored, while Ireland, wtf

    And that is why I said, textually, "I am talking about my land, which for sure remains much more traditions, toponyms and archaelogical sites than most of the rest of these countries."... but I did not expect a Brazilian was able to read it properly, my bad

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    Now why don't you show us some of the many extremely Celtic traditions of Spain, Cristiano.
    Sure

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzas...os_y_de_cintas
    https://megustavolar.iberia.com/2016...-magia-espana/
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B...en_Espa%C3%B1a
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_das_bestas
    http://thisistherealspain.com/es/act...a-de-halloween

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