St George’s flag is a racist symbol says a quarter of the English

[Albion]

It's strange because when I went down to England. The St Georges cross was flown more than our flag does from homes.

What? That doesn't sound right, what part of England were you in?

I've only seen two houses flying it here - you know, the sorts who have an actual flag pole in their garden.

It's also flown from churches and pubs (football) but I see a lot of British flags everywhere.

[Graham]

What? That doesn't sound right, what part of England were you in?

I've only seen two houses flying it here - you know, the sorts who have an actual flag pole in their garden.

It's also flown from churches and pubs (football) but I see a lot of British flags everywhere.

Down the road to Blackpool, it was close to the World cup time. Flag poles you barely ever see them here.

[Treffie]

English / British are becoming synonymous because only the English have the identity forced on them.

English/British have been seen as synonymous because England is by far the most dominant country. I blame the English themselves for being too nice and rolling over to allow PC groups to tickle their belly and deconstructing the English identity bit by bit. The English should be allowed to use their flag without any fear of political reprisals.

[Bobcat Fraser]

In America one of the early symbols of the nation is also increasingly deemed racist.



Older country flags and symbols tend to be used by groups which multiculturalists don't like and become associated with such groups. So the symbols themselves become "racist symbols" and then people not wanting to be classed as racist are put off.

This is true. The Gadsden flag will soon become as taboo as the Confederate battle flag. It will be associated with extremists and militias by the media. Then, the progressives will associate it with all libertarians, in a negative light. It will be akin to how they link the battle flag to racists and rednecks. They'll link it to "hateful and violent" Ron Paul fans, who support the Constitution. They might even use it to identify people who are perceived as security threats, and they'll be put on the list with other peaceful anti-statists. The SPLC might even refer to it as the banner of bigots.

[♥ Lily ♥]

The 25% who say our flag is 'racist' are the arabic muslim immigrants who don't relate to our English ancestry, our culture, our heritage and our flag.

[Neon Knight]

The St.George flag flies from the town church tower where I am.

[Graham]

Catkin said this on the other thread the Union Jack in England is seen as more inclusive. You know I feel better when England sing Jerusalem and fly their St George flag, rather than singing about the queen, rule Britannia and fly the UJ.

'Englands green and pleasant lands', sounds far better than 'god save our gracious queen'.

[Catkin]

The 25% who say our flag is 'racist' are the arabic muslim immigrants who don't relate to our English ancestry, our culture, our heritage and our flag.

Allahu akbar.



No, I don't think it's racist, but I think it is associated more with racism and so that's why many aren't so comfortable with it.

Catkin said this on the other thread the Union Jack in England is seen as more inclusive. You know I feel better when England sing Jerusalem and fly their St George flag, rather than singing about the queen, rule Britannia and fly the UJ.

'Englands green and pleasant lands', sounds far better than 'god save our gracious queen'.

I definitely think England should use Jerusalem or some such anthem when competing separately from the other nations. Otherwise English is a non-identity by itself, unlike the others. We shouldn't use the general UK anthem.

[sioned]

If they hav problem with Saint george, one reason more to wave with on every spot you can think of..

[Catkin]

English 'too nervous' to celebrate St George's Day

The think tank British Future believes the English are "too nervous" to celebrate St George's Day, after a poll found they were more likely to be able to correctly name the date of the US Independence Day and St Patrick’s Day than they are their own national saint’s day.

By Jasper Copping
6:30AM BST 18 Oct 2013

The English are more likely to be able to correctly name the date of the US Independence Day and St Patrick’s Day than they are their own national saint’s day, a new poll has found. The survey found only 40 per cent were able to identify St George’s Day as falling on April 23, compared with 71 who could give July 4 as the American national holiday and 42 per cent who knew that March 17 was the Irish one. British Future, a think tank specialising in identity and integration which carried out the study, says the results suggest many English people are too “nervous” to celebrate St George’s Day.

It cites concerns among many that national symbols like the St George’s Cross flag may be interpreted as racist by others, and that celebration of the national saint’s day could upset ethnic minority groups. It also accused politicians failing to “engage” with the concept of Englishness, to help to promote more pride in it.

The poll found that people in England are twice as likely to say they are more English than British than the other way round. Forty per cent said they were more English than British, while only 17 per cent feel more British than English. Just over a third (37 per cent) felt equally English and British.

The survey also found that two-thirds of those polled in England considered the Irish saint’s day as more widely-celebrated in Britain than St George’s Day. Only seven per cent believed April 23 received more attention than March 17. St Patrick’s Day is marked by parades in several English cities, such as London, Liverpool and Birmingham, which attract crowds in their tens of thousands. By contrast, events marking St George’s Day have traditionally been lower key. The research did suggest, however, that there was an appetite among the English to do more to celebrate their national identity. Three quarters (76%) wanted St George’s Day celebrated more or at least as much as St Patrick’s Day. Just under two thirds (61%) felt the flag of St George should be flown more widely across England. Four in ten (41 per cent) citied the lack of a Bank Holiday when asked why St George’s Day is not celebrated more. Less than one in three (29%) thought it was because people did not care.

Sunder Katwala, director of British Future, said: “Why shouldn’t we be able to celebrate Englishness? We’re all happy to come together as a nation when there’s football or cricket on, so why keep the flags in the drawer for the rest of the year? It’s a bit baffling that people in England will happily enjoy a pint of Guinness on St Patrick’s Day but then get nervous about celebrating St George’s Day too. We need to get over it and celebrate Englishness more. There’s clearly an appetite for bringing Englishness out of the stadium and into our everyday lives – but politicians have been very wary of engaging with it. It’s time they joined this national conversation. People think a Bank Holiday and flying more St George’s flags would help and it’s hard to see why anyone would disagree.”

British Future released the findings ahead of a “Festival of Englishness” it is holding in London this Saturday, with the Institute for Public Policy Research. The event has been organised to discuss Englishness in areas such as politics, comedy and sport. Among those involved is Vanessa Whitburn, the former editor of The Archers, who will discuss English culture.

The poll was conducted by ICM among more than 1,700 people from England.

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