Macedonian language and dialects

[Crn Volk]

So someone from Bitola speaks like someone from Skopje? Interesting......

essentially yes, although Skopjani have more 'Serbisms' present...

[Zaycev]

Maps of Bulgarian Empire don't count, I can post maps of Serbian, Macedonian, and Greek empires, that doesn't prove they were ethnic borders.

[wvwvw]

why do u laugh? Alexander's empire was called "Macedonian empire" all until englishmen J. G. Droysen in mid 19th century dubbed it to be called hellenistic

Ancient Macedonia was never part of Vardaska (Fyrom). Real Macedonia lies in Greece:


Map of Ancient Macedonia. 95% of Ancient Macedonia still lies in Greece. The region above macedonia (Fyrom) was known as Vardaska.

Regions of Ancient Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html

And the real name of the area above Greece inhabited by the West Bulgarians is Vardaska.
Fyrom is a fake country that hijacked the name and history of Ancient macedonians. As late as 1946 Fyrom was known as Vardaska



"In 1931 Yugoslavia was reorganized into 9 regions (Banovinas). The southern region of Yugoslavia, including today's FYROM, was named as Vardaska Banovina (or Vardaria). That was the original name of the area of FYROM, when it was first created, inside Yugoslavia."

In 1946 it was renamed to Macedonia, the same name as the Greek province of Greece (where real Macedonia is). They clearly aimed in accessing the Aegean Sea, a priviledge that they had lost after the 1st World War. On their side they had the Russians who wanted to gain access in the area. They proposed the creation of a communistic state in Macedonia which they planned to annex in the future.

Fyrom continues to have territorial claims against Greece:



Notice how they include a huge chunk of Northern Greece in their map. They indoctrinate their children from a small age that Ancient macedonians had nothing to do with Greeks, and indoctrinate them to hate Greeks.

Fact is that Macedonians have never associated themselves with anything other than Greek. Slavs,Turks or Bulgarians were NEVER characterised as “Macedonians” in Byzantine, Ancient, and foreign Sources.



The two terms, Macedonian, do not always have the same significance: they coincide only to the extend that they refer to a geographical concept.

The term Μαcedonian also was to a considerable extend used in its geographical sense, when it designated a Byzantine inhabitant of Macedonia. Since, however, it could at the same time have other, non-geographical, connotations (racial, family, etc.). it does not appear blindly to follow the successive administrate changes effected by the central authority.

It is characteristic that those who from time to time are designated as Μacedonian are always members of Byzantine society or the Byzantine army, speaking the same language and apparently following the same failh, and that they never appear to turn, as the head of a certain group, against ihe Byzantine state.
(as was the case with Bulgarians)

In this sense, the term Μακεδών could be applied lo a person who was not of Macedonian descent. The characteristic example here is that of the Emperor Basil I, who is clearly described as being descended “from the Armenian nation“: This however, did not stop the Byzantines from calling him a Macedonian.
e) This category does not appear to include the more recent immigrants to Macedonia, evidently because they retained their own ethnic particularity (language, religion, culture, etc.) and, more important still, their independence from the Byzantine rule. Thus, for example, in no case could any Bulgars, Slavs or Turks who were known to have settled in the region after a certain period (and who, indeed, became the permanent residents) ever be described as Μacedones

An interesting case of this refusal to use the term Μαcedon, as a descriptor for local, generally Slav, rulers, is that of Tsar Samuel. Samuel who came from the Western Macedonian district of Ochrid and who brought all Macedonia under his rule in the late 10th centure and early 11th century, was never called Μακeδών (=Macedonian), either by the Byzantines or by local Slavo-Bulgarian sources.

[wvwvw]

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:

"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)

[morski]

Plateau, you are wasting your time. They don't care about the facts. They are in effect an Orwellian 1984 type of society. Their leaders control the present by controlling the past , all inconvenient historical facts are either obscured or spun so a continuity narrative going back to the first apes is retroactively fitted to their own present-day artificial Macedonianness. The ones who wake up and start questioning the fake narrative are being immediately ostracised by the rest and intimidated into conformity, back in the day it was done in political prisons, nowadays it's character assassination by the media.

[Kastrioti1443]

LOOOOOOOOOL WHAT A RIDICULOUS THREAD.

[Machete]

It's only your interpretation haters

[Zaycev]

It's only your interpretation haters

LMFAO are you fucking thick?

[Machete]

LMFAO are you fucking thick?

No, are you?

[Alexq]

Ancient Macedonia was never part of Vardaska (Fyrom). Real Macedonia lies in Greece:


Map of Ancient Macedonia. 95% of Ancient Macedonia still lies in Greece. The region above macedonia (Fyrom) was known as Vardaska.

Regions of Ancient Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html

And the real name of the area above Greece inhabited by the West Bulgarians is Vardaska.
Fyrom is a fake country that hijacked the name and history of Ancient macedonians. As late as 1946 Fyrom was known as Vardaska



"In 1931 Yugoslavia was reorganized into 9 regions (Banovinas). The southern region of Yugoslavia, including today's FYROM, was named as Vardaska Banovina (or Vardaria). That was the original name of the area of FYROM, when it was first created, inside Yugoslavia."

In 1946 it was renamed to Macedonia, the same name as the Greek province of Greece (where real Macedonia is). They clearly aimed in accessing the Aegean Sea, a priviledge that they had lost after the 1st World War. On their side they had the Russians who wanted to gain access in the area. They proposed the creation of a communistic state in Macedonia which they planned to annex in the future.

Fyrom continues to have territorial claims against Greece:



Notice how they include a huge chunk of Northern Greece in their map. They indoctrinate their children from a small age that Ancient macedonians had nothing to do with Greeks, and indoctrinate them to hate Greeks.

Fact is that Macedonians have never associated themselves with anything other than Greek. Slavs,Turks or Bulgarians were NEVER characterised as “Macedonians” in Byzantine, Ancient, and foreign Sources.



The two terms, Macedonian, do not always have the same significance: they coincide only to the extend that they refer to a geographical concept.

The term Μαcedonian also was to a considerable extend used in its geographical sense, when it designated a Byzantine inhabitant of Macedonia. Since, however, it could at the same time have other, non-geographical, connotations (racial, family, etc.). it does not appear blindly to follow the successive administrate changes effected by the central authority.

It is characteristic that those who from time to time are designated as Μacedonian are always members of Byzantine society or the Byzantine army, speaking the same language and apparently following the same failh, and that they never appear to turn, as the head of a certain group, against ihe Byzantine state.
(as was the case with Bulgarians)

In this sense, the term Μακεδών could be applied lo a person who was not of Macedonian descent. The characteristic example here is that of the Emperor Basil I, who is clearly described as being descended “from the Armenian nation“: This however, did not stop the Byzantines from calling him a Macedonian.
e) This category does not appear to include the more recent immigrants to Macedonia, evidently because they retained their own ethnic particularity (language, religion, culture, etc.) and, more important still, their independence from the Byzantine rule. Thus, for example, in no case could any Bulgars, Slavs or Turks who were known to have settled in the region after a certain period (and who, indeed, became the permanent residents) ever be described as Μacedones

An interesting case of this refusal to use the term Μαcedon, as a descriptor for local, generally Slav, rulers, is that of Tsar Samuel. Samuel who came from the Western Macedonian district of Ochrid and who brought all Macedonia under his rule in the late 10th centure and early 11th century, was never called Μακeδών (=Macedonian), either by the Byzantines or by local Slavo-Bulgarian sources.

here we go again...I wont bother waste my time going over this shit again, I wil tell you one thing, the word "greek" is a made up word by the latins, and those ancient macedonians never claimed being "greek"