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[Rudel]

are there residues of latin declensions in neo-latines languages?

Sardinian language has no declensions, but there are a lot of phisical adjectives used also as nicknames that seem to derive from 2nd declension genitive

Declensions disappeared from French during the XIVth century. It's one of the defining elements of the transition between Old and Middle French.
In some places the sujet case has survived and there are doublets (gars/garçon, pute/putain, copain/compagnon, sire/seigneur etc.)

http://monsu.desiderio.free.fr/curiosites/cassujet.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_French#Grammar

[Mens-Sarda]

Declensions disappeared from French during the XIVth century. It's one of the defining elements of the transition between Old and Middle French.
In some place the sujet case has survived and there are doublets (gars/garçon, pute/putain, copain/compagnon, sire/seigneur etc.)

http://monsu.desiderio.free.fr/curiosites/cassujet.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_French#Grammar

interesting!

in the table of old verbs a lot of them are practically identical to actual Sardinian (in Logudoresu, I don't know about Campidanesu)

*accapāre

achieve

achever

"to achieve"

Acchipìre

*tripaliāre

travaille

traveillier

"to work"

Tribagliare

pretiāre

prise

proisier

"to value"

Pretziare

appellāre

apele

apeler

"to call"

the verb "Appeddare" still exists but with other meaning (to bark), in a certain sense when the dog barks is calling its owner, ancient people had a great sense of humour

jacēre

gist

gesir

"to lie (down)"

Jàchere

exīre

ist

oissir

"to go out"

Essìre

cōnsuere > *cōsere

queust

cousdre

"to sew"

Cosìre

[Comte Arnau]

are there residues of latin declensions in neo-latines languages?

Sardinian language has no declensions, but there are a lot of phisical adjectives used also as nicknames that seem to derive from 2nd declension genitive

I know there's a sort of remaining of neuters in the gender agreement of Asturian/Leonese.

Neuter nouns can have any ending in the nouns. In fact, Asturian neuters are of three kinds:
Masculine neuters: they have a masculine form and take a masculine article: el fierro vieyo ('old iron').
Feminine neuters: they have a feminine form and take a feminine article: la lleche frío ('cold milk')
Pure neuters: they are not nouns but nominal groups with and adjective and neuters pronouns: lo guapo d’esti asuntu ye... ('the interesting [thing] of this issue is...')

Neuter is marked specially in the adjective. So most adjectives have three endings: -u (masc.), -a (fem.) and -o (neuter), which are respectively:

El vasu ta fríu ('the glass is cold'), tengo la mano fría ('my hand is cold'), l’agua ta frío ('the water is cold')

The use of neuter is rather complex in Asturian; anyway neuters nouns have no plural (except in some cases, where they are taken metaphorically, in which case the lose this gender, such as in les agües tán fríes (Waters are cold) or when you want to concretise an abstract noun:

Tien el pelo roxo ('his hair is red') is neuter but:
Tien un pelu roxu ('he’s got a red hair') is masculine. By the way, look at the change of ending in the noun). Neuters nouns refer to abstract, collective and uncountable nouns.

in the table of old verbs a lot of them are practically identical to actual Sardinian (in Logudoresu, I don't know about Campidanesu)

*accapāre

achieve

achever

"to achieve"

Acchipìre

*tripaliāre

travaille

traveillier

"to work"

Tribagliare

pretiāre

prise

proisier

"to value"

Pretziare

appellāre

apele

apeler

"to call"

the verb "Appeddare" still exists but with other meaning (to bark), in a certain sense when the dog barks is calling its owner, ancient people had a great sense of humour

jacēre

gist

gesir

"to lie (down)"

Jàchere

exīre

ist

oissir

"to go out"

Essìre

cōnsuere > *cōsere

queust

cousdre

"to sew"

Cosìre

Funny to see that many Romance students of English today would never associate ACHIEVE with ACABAR/ACHEVER or TRAVEL with TRABAJAR/TREBALLAR/TRAVAILLER...

[Mens-Sarda]

interesting also the Asturian, in Sardinian, (I think only in Logudoresu, Campidanesu is really different) we retain the neuter only in the personal pronouns, 3rd singular person :

issu (he) issa (she) isse (it)

usually "isse" it's used when related to animals or inanimate things, but while the Asturian changes the adjectives endings for neuter, in Sardinian they remain with the usual ending :

U, E, I, for male gender, A form female gender


what about the adjectives I mentioned in the previous page? are there similar forms in Spanish, Catalan, Asturian?

[Rudel]

Funny to see that many Romance students of English today would never associate ACHIEVE with ACABAR/ACHEVER

I've always made that association.

[B01AB20]

I've always made that association.

is there something in the world you don't made perfectly right?

OK, I guess you'll give a perfect and witty answer to that, besides showing that I should not have asked that cuestion.

Don't know if I can see the future or you're perfectly predictable.

Anyway I hope you take this post with some good french humor.

[Ouistreham]

The link between achever / achèvement and to achieve / achievement is self-evident (except that the French word does not necessarily imply "full success"), but not at all with acabar.

[B01AB20]

The link between achever / achèvement and to achieve / achievement is self-evident (except that the French word does not necessarily imply "full success"), but not at all with acabar.

the link between to achieve and alcanzar must be non-existent... but for me is instinctively evident.

must be my paranormal powers.

[Comte Arnau]

Bumping the thread, in case you're hungry.




TO LAY THE TABLE

Portuguese: PÔR A MESA
Spanish: PONER LA MESA
Catalan: PARAR LA TAULA
French: METTRE LA TABLE
Italian: APPARECCHIARE LA TAVOLA

TO CLEAR THE TABLE

Portuguese: TIRAR A MESA
Spanish: QUITAR LA MESA
Catalan: DESPARAR LA TAULA
French: DÉBARRASSER LA TABLE
Italian: SPARECCHIARE LA TAVOLA

WHITE WINE:

Portuguese: VINHO BRANCO
Spanish: VINO BLANCO
Catalan: VI BLANC
French: VIN BLANC
Italian: VINO BIANCO

RED WHINE:

Portuguese: VINHO TINTO
Spanish: VINO TINTO
Catalan: VI NEGRE
French: VIN ROUGE
Italian: VINO ROSSO

ENJOY YOUR MEAL!!

Portuguese: BOM APETITE!
Spanish: ¡BUEN PROVECHO!
Catalan: BON PROFIT!
French: BON APPETIT!
Italian: BUON APPETITO!

[Damião de Góis]

Portuguese: TIRAR A MESA

Actually we say Levantar a mesa.