Immigrants in Greece

[alb0zfinest]

Said who? An Albanian? Get back the -more than 1 million - of your compatriots, and the talk about it.

But even with the crisis, even with millions of immigrants, we have half the unemployment that Fyrom has.

And we don't build ugly statues (we have them since antiquity) and if we did (and not during bad economic times) we don't brag about em !



The article - however- is rediculous. A Greek will go
1) to a country that won't have problems with papers and permit
2) A country with bigger salary than Greece has (so can sent back to Greece, what's left)
3) A country with a strong Greek community.

Yes, lately many Greeks are leaving the country. To US, Canada, Australia, UK or Germany. As they did in the past.

Just one thing to point out, you can have millions of immigrants and greatly benefit from them.

[Queen B]

Just one thing to point out, you can have millions of immigrants and greatly benefit from them.

We don't benefit though..
You know why?Many , if not most, of them are illegal --> no taxes payed
Also, the criminality have risen, and 2/3 of crimes are commited by immigrants, who are 2 millions, while Greeks are 11.

[Onur]

We don't benefit though..
You know why?Many , if not most, of them are illegal --> no taxes payed
Also, the criminality have risen, and 2/3 of crimes are commited by immigrants, who are 2 millions, while Greeks are 11.

Because your immigrants didn't and doesn't wanna stay in Greece at first place. They wanna go to western Europe but due to the agreements between Greece and EU, western European states are abusing you as some kind of dumping ground for illegal immigrants because supposedly they entered EU from Greece.

This is your country`s one of the few uses for EU`s big guns, just as they are using Romania and Bulgaria for dumping gypsies. They are abusing Greece and imho, you should abandon those agreements and let immigrants go where they wanna go and don't accept them back again. If western Europeans doesn't want them in their country, then they should deport them to their home country, not to the Greece. I have no idea how come you do that tough because you are completely hostage to them, a colony of Brussels.

EU wanted to trick Turkey childishly by saying that Turkey is the so-called EU candidate and supposedly, we should accept illegal immigrants from Greece because they used Turkish sea and soil while going to EU. Ofc we are not idiots and we didn't accept that stupid offer.

[Queen B]

Because your immigrants didn't and doesn't wanna stay in Greece at first place. They wanna go to western Europe but due to the agreements between Greece and EU, western European states are abusing you as some kind of dumping ground for illegal immigrants because supposedly they entered EU from Greece.

This is truth.
This is what EU does, but also, they entered from Greece, and you know exactly from where.

This is your country`s one of the few uses for EU`s big guns, just as they are using Romania and Bulgaria for dumping gypsies. They are abusing Greece and imho, you should abandon those agreements and let immigrants go where they wanna go and don't accept them back again. If western Europeans doesn't want them in their country, then they should deport them to their home country, not to the Greece. I have no idea how come you do that tough because you are completely hostage to them, a colony of Brussels.

I just hope we can do this. We have tones of illegals, even Europeans (Albanians).
They add NOTHING, except criminility, illegal profits of non-taxed goods, infections, and a bad image.

lol. That tiny little thing doesn't even compare to the numerous Greek ones.

http://www.water-park.gr/home.html (Rhodes)
http://www.aqualand-corfu.com/ (Corfu) *Aqualand Corfu, largest water park in Greece and third in Europe
http://www.koswaterpark.com/info1.php (Kos)
http://www.zantewatervillage.gr/attractions/ (Zakynthos)
http://www.waterland.gr/#/experience (Thessaloniki)
http://www.watercity.gr/watergames.php (Crete)
http://www.acquaplus.gr/index.php?menu_id=3 (Crete) *first water park in the Balkan region
http://www.breathtakingathens.com/node/4389 (Athens)
http://www.limnoupolis.gr/en/games.php (Crete)

I have been to the Zakynthos, and Athens' ones.

[alb0zfinest]

We don't benefit though..
You know why?Many , if not most, of them are illegal --> no taxes payed
Also, the criminality have risen, and 2/3 of crimes are commited by immigrants, who are 2 millions, while Greeks are 11.

The tax problem is your fault, they can't pay taxes without citizenship. Crime rate obviously tends to be high with the Greek crisis transpiring, the immigrants are the ones that are most effected.

[alb0zfinest]

This is truth.
This is what EU does, but also, they entered from Greece, and you know exactly from where.


I just hope we can do this. We have tones of illegals, even Europeans (Albanians).
They add NOTHING, except criminility, illegal profits of non-taxed goods, infections, and a bad image.



I have been to the Zakynthos, and Athens' ones.

But i suppose all the Albanians working in sectors that Greeks
would never want to work in count as nothing?

[Queen B]

The tax problem is your fault, they can't pay taxes without citizenship. Crime rate obviously tends to be high with the Greek crisis transpiring, the immigrants are the ones that are most effected.

What are you talking about?

Immigrant legal = Pays taxes
Immigrant illegal = Doesn't pay taxes

Citizenship = Voting
No citizenship = No voting

No, crime rate was high already, way before the crisis (from the late 90s, to the start of 2000s, till now).

[alb0zfinest]

What are you talking about?

Immigrant legal = Pays taxes
Immigrant illegal = Doesn't pay taxes

Citizenship = Voting
No citizenship = No voting

No, crime rate was high already, way before the crisis (from the late 90s, to the start of 2000s, till now).

Exacly my point, most of them are illegal. less then 500,000 of those 1million Albanians hold citizenship.
If they are illegal = no work number = can't work = doing criminal activities.

[Queen B]

But i suppose all the Albanians working in sectors that Greeks
would never want to work in count as nothing?

First of all, not all of the Albanians are legal.
Many of legals, work in sectors that Greeks 1) don't wanna work or 2) will ask for more money
Also, Albanians get more benefits than Greeks, in some specific things.

[alb0zfinest]

First of all, not all of the Albanians are legal.
Many of legals, work in sectors that Greeks 1) don't wanna work or 2) will ask for more money
Also, Albanians get more benefits than Greeks, in some specific things.

Isint that what i just said?

Just because they ask for more money doesnt mean they'll get it.
Really? for instance?
This goes back to my previous statement
"Exacly my point, most of them are illegal. less then 500,000 of those 1million Albanians hold citizenship.
If they are illegal = no work number = can't work = doing criminal activities"