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    Quote Originally Posted by alb0zfinest View Post
    hahahah so are you taking the black market jobs or not? you just like to complain for bs stuff.
    Of course Albania is going to be behind they've been developing for 14 years. When The U.S gave your piece of shit country money under the marshal plan and Truman Doctrine we faced a harsh communist regime. Not mentioning that if Greece didnt join the E.U in 1952 they wouldn't be far off from Albania.
    In 50 years albania will still be a backwards shithole. Tribal mountain mentality doesn't make for a progressive state. And here we have alot of alboz from everywhere possible but albania on this forum trying to defend Albania. I guess this is why you guys are so nationalistic, you have nothing else to be happy about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    Its a little old, but until that time, was kind of true.
    Greece decided to open the borders, as you know.
    The reason was that Greece wanted to help, because, almost every Greek family have an immigrant in US,Australia,Canada,Germany from the 50s, or the 70s.(I have in Canada from my mother's side, and in Australia from my father's side)
    The first influx, was a very positive one, mostly families migrated, worked in houses, everywhere, and integrated very well in Greece.
    Right after that, there was a 2nd influx, mostly illegals, that escaped from prisons,etc.
    Those got accepted as well, but in result, they did criminal activities, and betray the trust of those who welcomed them.
    With that, Greeks weren't open to Albanians anymore, and the new Albanian immigrants were pre-occupied that they'll face negative behavior.
    I'm not sure of the intentions of the open borders but most of the statistics point to Albanians being representative in crime statistics (compared to other immigrants.) The author in the article claimed 4.5% and I've read other stats showing something similar. From what I've gathered from Greece crimes are the following:

    1) Greece has one of the lowest crime rates in the EU
    2) Albanians are representative in crime rate to other immigrant groups. Though immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate than natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanion View Post
    In 50 years albania will still be a backwards shithole. Tribal mountain mentality doesn't make for a progressive state. And here we have alot of alboz from everywhere possible but albania on this forum trying to defend Albania. I guess this is why you guys are so nationalistic, you have nothing else to be happy about.
    You worry about 16% unemployment rate in Greece which is higher then Albania, and we'll worry about our own country. And of course Albania will be a backwards shithole, even though they managed to join nato before most of their neighbhors, they continue to show economic growth despite their main trading partners (Greece, and Italy) being in an economic crisis. Tourism almost reached 5 million from 2 million the previous year. Quality of life has increased over the years. GDP has show descent increase. Could you say the same about Greece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanion View Post
    In 50 years albania will still be a backwards shithole. Tribal mountain mentality doesn't make for a progressive state. And here we have alot of alboz from everywhere possible but albania on this forum trying to defend Albania. I guess this is why you guys are so nationalistic, you have nothing else to be happy about.
    Well this forum advocates European preservation so naturally you will find Albanians on this board that tend to be more nationalistic. The same applies for other ethnic groups on this forum.

    And there are many aspects of the "Tribal mountain mentality" that many members of this forum advocate for their own nation/culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alb0zfinest View Post
    You worry about 16% unemployment rate in Greece which is higher then Albania, and we'll worry about our own country. And of course Albania will be a backwards shithole, even though they managed to join nato before most of their neighbhors, they continue to show economic growth despite their main trading partners (Greece, and Italy) being in an economic crisis. Tourism almost reached 5 million from 2 million the previous year. Quality of life has increased over the years. GDP has show descent increase. Could you say the same about Greece?
    5 million! that's alot! congrats!

    With that large 3.8 thousand GDP per capita of Albania, you almost caught up with Bosnia's 4.2 thousand GDP per capita, and their a nation split in half and almost near civil war again.

    http://www.google.ca/publicdata/expl...nia+gdp+growth

    Keep reading your Illyrian fairytales, it seems to keep you guys opimistic if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alb0zfinest View Post
    The total amount spent on loans was $1.2billion. The amount given to Ireland alone does not equate to that.
    This (http://cup.columbia.edu/media/5022/h...id-excerpt.pdf ) tells the plan for the marshal plan presented towards Greece, and it clearly states that the U.S gave loans to Greece. Again im not denying that a large sum of it was aid, but then there is also a large portion that was loan.
    ''In Greece the farmer or factory paid the Greek bank in
    drachmas, usually in installments as a loan. Instead of paying
    the U.S. bank in turn, the Greek bank forwarded the
    money to a Greek Treasury counterpart fund. The Greek
    government then used 95 percent of those funds for projects
    within Greece, as approved by the ECA in the annual
    plan. The other 5 percent went to the ECA for administrative
    costs.
    There were other payment mechanisms too. Greece
    could pay with dollars from its own foreign exchange, for
    later reimbursement by the ECA; or issue an ECA draft
    through the U.S. Federal Reserve in favor of U.S. suppliers;
    or ask the ECA to issue a letter of commitment to the
    supplier, pledging direct payment without a bank. These
    alternative mechanisms were mostly for large shipments
    of commodities such as grain, oil, or steel, for very large
    Greek businesses.''

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    ''Contrast the Marshall Plan’s tight financing formula
    with the World Bank’s standard practice. In the Marshall
    Plan, businesses repaid loans and advances, and that
    money funded government projects directly.
    In poor countries
    today the World Bank staff designs projects for the
    government to implement and then calculates how much
    that will boost the overall economy. It adds up the projects to arrive at a total projected economic increase and then calculates
    the extra taxes the government will collect. It then
    gives a huge loan for the government to pay back with the
    future taxes from the future economic growth. Five years
    later, when the growth has not happened and the government
    can’t pay back the loan, the bank rolls it over or aid activists
    campaign for the bank to forgive it. Meanwhile, the bank
    has designed another set of projects that are already under
    way, with another loan the government will never repay.
    The Marshall Plan encountered more obstacles in
    Greece than in other countries, but still the program
    worked. The Greek economy grew 30 percent over the four
    years of the plan and then took off in the 1950s, when Greece
    grew faster than any other country in the world except for
    Japan.''
    The source is pretty biased, its from the Athens news agency. But nonetheless that source says "beginning with the repayment of a forced war "loan" exacted by the Nazi occupation forces during WWII" one loan not many.
    That happened in Greece,in Greek banks, what source you are expecting? a French or an Australian? The source is not the Greek agency, but the papers I provided you.
    Its not something that ''popped up'' with crisis, even the one link from the embassy, is from 2000.

    There is no deny from any German on those. That's why even in the memondarum (aka ''Mnimonio'') there an article that says that any owed money, cannot be replaced by the loan money that Greece have to pay, in order to equalize the debt between the two parties.

    I wonder why this was mentioned

    How is the right price determined, and how do you know that some wont falsify abuse or that one of their family members got killed etc etc just to get money?
    What Greece asks from Germany, is hardly about abusing/discrimination or even killings.
    Its about the war loans, the stealing of Gold and silver, and for destroying Greek economy.
    What Marshal plan did, was something that Germany should have done, and what part of Marshal plan was loan, it was something that Germany should have re-paid.
    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...093990,00.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ek-debt-crisis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nird View Post
    I'm not sure of the intentions of the open borders but most of the statistics point to Albanians being representative in crime statistics (compared to other immigrants.) The author in the article claimed 4.5% and I've read other stats showing something similar. From what I've gathered from Greece crimes are the following:

    1) Greece has one of the lowest crime rates in the EU
    2) Albanians are representative in crime rate to other immigrant groups. Though immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate than natives.
    1) Yes, Greece has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe, and I think the lower withing EU.
    Some years ago, had one of the lowest in the world.
    2) Look, Albanians are about 60% of immigrants. So, its obvious that a big amount of criminal activities, are coming from them. However, different immigrant groups are dealing with different crimes, mostly. But that's my own spectaculation, based on personal experience, and its not a ''rule''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanion View Post
    In 50 years albania will still be a backwards shithole. Tribal mountain mentality doesn't make for a progressive state. And here we have alot of alboz from everywhere possible but albania on this forum trying to defend Albania. I guess this is why you guys are so nationalistic, you have nothing else to be happy about.
    LOL now that you mention it... Is there even a single Albo who lives in Albania on this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    LOL now that you mention it... Is there even a single Albo who lives in Albania on this forum?
    WTF,what about your compatriots in usa,plz dont let me start about them,you infect white americans like coackroaches who ruin your food

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