Famine - Genocide in Ukraine 1932 - 1933

[Hors]

Oh, you mean stealing it from the Ukrainians and forcing a true genocidal famine on them.

Stop bullshitting people. Germans have confiscated food everywhere in the USSR to supply the Wehrmach and German civilians back home. See above.

Didn't happen anywhere else, even the French who occupied Elsass-Lothringen, except the jews. The common thread amongst those who were given ill treatment by the Germans was loyalty to Bolshevism, a tyrannical ideology which threatened to take over Europe, and largely succeeded.

What kind of argument is it? Is it an argument or what? Whatever it is, I don't give a flying fuck either it happened or not elsewhere, or what was the reason for Germans to exterminate up to 20 million Soviet civilians.

[Wildland]

There have been hundreds, thousands of famines in Russia. Why do you want to put the blame on Stalin only? What's about all rulers of Russia beginning from Rurik?

And, speaking about Stalin's crimes against humanity, is your heart full of contrition because of 1937, when Stalin got rid of 95% of Communist Jews in the Soviet government?

Don't you think it was Stalin's policy, including collectivization, which enabled Russians to defeat Nazi Germany and 2/3 of Europe Allied with it?

And the reason for that?
Kissing up to NS Germany both for diplomatic reasons and the reasons that German caricature drawer where exposing the Jewish takeover over the Russian people.
The reason also they got rid of the Jewish foreign minister and replaced him with Molotov, as Germany would never allow to make diplomacy with a Jew.

[RoyBatty]

Paulo di Canio, Lazio legend

[SwordoftheVistula]

There was starvation and mass death of Soviet civilians before, during, and after the war. In Germany and German-occupied territories, only during and immediately after the war.

As to the original topic, the genocide of several million Ukrainians, a death toll larger than the 'official' death toll of the civilian deaths known as 'The Holocaust', the Germans can only responsible if the reasoning involves a time machine as the genocide occurred before the nazis were voted into power (because the country saw them as the only alternatives to the communists).

[Hors]

There was starvation and mass death of Soviet civilians before, during, and after the war.

Starvaton? Yes. But it were Germans who planned and (partially) implemented genocide.

the genocide of several million Ukrainians

I wonder, why you disregard the Russian victims? Just not to make the usage of the word "genocide" awkward?