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    Default Mesolithic Iberians

    You can read the article from Dienekes here!

    As expected the Mesolithic Iberians are closer to Northern Europeans than Southern Europeans but there is a strong Asian shift.

    Due to the small number of SNPs, I pooled the two Mesolithic individuals into a single composite one; the K7b admixture proportions are: 9.3% African and 90.7% Atlantic_Baltic, which appears consistent with the position of the individuals in the European PCA plot. The sub-1,000 SNPs in common with the K7b do not give me a lot of confidence in the minority element, but, in any case, the high Atlantic_Baltic figure is what I would expect and appears consistent with the similarly high Atlantic_Baltic figure of the Swedish Neolithic hunter-gatherers.
    So no Mediterranean component in them which ofcourse was early Neolithic in origin.They were mostly Atlanto-Baltic.

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    The global PCA of the two individuals shows a clear shift relative to extant Europeans.



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    So howcome this mesolithic sample is 9% african? The moors hadn't invade yet..

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    Our Mesolithic ancestors were more Nordic and African than current Iberians?

    Espada tengo. Lo demás, Dios lo remedie.

    In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
    — Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum


    Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240

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    Mesolithic Europeans are not direct ancestors of modern Euros with North-Eastern ones carrying the most ancestry from them and the South-Eastern ones being the least related.

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    the problem is that the neolithic influence in Iberia has been minimum too, too i read something that ADN in older rests found in Iberia had a genetic link with actual iberians , i am more lost than before, i don't see nothing logical

    the mix with neanderthal alterated our DNA perhaps, hahhaa
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    Does the African come from less time away from Africans, and therefore a closer affinity with non-European populations than modern populations would have with eachother? Or is it a matter of updated gene-flow from the region? The high Atlantic-Baltic seems expected. Anyway, I think this makes sense with what we know about the migrations into Europe generally overshadowing the refugee populations. In Northeastern Europe this was much less the case than in the West, South, and Southeast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold_fenix View Post
    the problem is that the neolithic influence in Iberia has been minimum too, too i read something that ADN in older rests found in Iberia had a genetic link with actual iberians , i am more lost than before, i don't see nothing logical
    That is not truth.Iberia was influenced by early Neolithic the Proto-Mediterraneans G2a carrying people from Near East with the Cardium Pottery culture.




    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    Mesolithic Europeans are not direct ancestors of modern Euros with North-Eastern ones carrying the most ancestry from them and the South-Eastern ones being the least related.
    But Iberians have a lot of Atlantic_Baltic component too.How come they are not partially descended from Mesolithic people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    That is not truth.Iberia was influenced by early Neolithic the Proto-Mediterraneans G2a carrying people from Near East with the Cardium Pottery culture.






    But Iberians have a lot of Atlantic_Baltic component too.How come they are not partially descended from Mesolithic people?
    That is a very low influence, 7-10% of whole Iberia.

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    Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    But Iberians have a lot of Atlantic_Baltic component too.How come they are not partially descended from Mesolithic people?

    Yes, in fact these Mesolithic percentages could explain not only the high percentage Altantic-Baltic, too the African influence residual, present in areas of Northern Spain as Galicia and Leon ect.. and with no logical explanation until now.

    Espada tengo. Lo demás, Dios lo remedie.

    In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
    — Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum


    Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240

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