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    I imagine the Pre-Historic Swedes were in Haplogroup I1 or just I in general ie. the Cro-Magnon peoples. The influx of the Neolithic Farmer peoples with their Haplogroups probably slightly made them more Mediterranean influenced.

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    From Fennoscandia Biographic project:
    This is the population average chunkcounts vs the ancient gotlander:

    X-asis:

    Saami 71,32
    Norw 69,53
    Swe 68,20
    Est 67,88
    Lith 66,88
    Belo 66,81
    Finns 66,39

    Y-axis:

    Saami 48,35
    Norw 47,73
    Swe 46,43
    Est 48,6
    Lith 45,67
    Belo 46,39
    Finns 45,43

    As what the results appears to show vs the recent ADMIXTURE analysis of the ancient gotlanders is that the ancient Gotlanders on population average best match the Saami.

    However on individual basis the first Saami doesnt hit in before 11th place. My investigation of the top matches stated origins appears so far to point to central and northern Sweden, and possibly Finnish western coast and Bothnia. It would make sense geographically as the remains are from Gotland.

    As I interpret it because the average is lower at population level for Scandianvians and Finns suggest that more recent migration have replaced their genetic profile, but not everywhere.
    Saami samples were not included in the original study.

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    Comes in perfectly with Wolfram's work on the origins of the Goths ... the Balthi and Amali .. coming from Gothiscandza ...
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    Sweden was homeland of slavic people before? Thats shocking

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    Default Ancient Gotlanders in Finestructure

    http://fennoscandia.blogspot.no/2012...structure.html
    DISCUSSION:

    The first analysis appears to be in accordance with ADMIXTURE and is after the book prescribed by the authors of Finestructure. Finns are the closest to the ancient Gotlanders when assuming many genetic elements,

    However if assuming only one genetic element the result is in accordance with Chromopainter raw output data for ChunkCounts and ChunkLenght that says that on population average Saamis are the closest to the ancient Gotlanders, then Scandinavians, then Lithuanians and finally Finns.

    In my earlier analysis below using only Chromopainter without the help of Finestructure the population assigment for individuals have been correct for most individuals and this analysis appears to show correct and known relationships between the populations in question when assuming c-factor of 1. If assuming a c-factor of 0 the analysis would probably converge more with the ADMIXTURE analysis.

    It seems therefor to me that the clustering of Finns close to the Saami maybe be due to more recent connections like migration of Finns to Saami. This because the connection to the ancient Gotlander appears more distant for Finns than for Saami.

    The connection of the ancient Gotlander to the Scandinavians seems to be direct. It doesnt seem to have gone through the North-Saamis or Finns as they look like today to Scandinavians. However we know little about the genetics of the South-Saamis. The individuals of partly South-Saami ancestry that show up in the MDS-plots have not maanged to differentiate themself enough in this analysis from Scandinavians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    Sweden was homeland of slavic people before? Thats shocking
    It wasn't really. But there was a Balto-Germanic-Slavic commonality at this time. The prehistoric Swedes were related very closely to Poles, as were other developing ethnic groups at that time ie. Germans, Danes, and Norwegians. This was before the Mediterranean genes 'intruded' their way into Scandinavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Comes in perfectly with Wolfram's work on the origins of the Goths ... the Balthi and Amali .. coming from Gothiscandza ...
    It does fit perfectly! The location of Gothiscandza after the Goths left Gotland would have been the area around modern day Danzing/Gdansk in Poland.

    This actually fits really well with the known expanse of Haplogroup I1, as you can see in the picture in my signature. There is a large expanse of Haplogroup I1 people located right underneath Sweden in present day Northern Poland which incorporates the areas of Danzig/Gdansk.

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