Danes and Denmark

[Pallantides]

There were also some non-Germanic peoples living in south Norway just thousand years ago(Svåse or Svási the Finn king of Dovre was obviously not Germanic) and they mixed with the Norse(Svåse's daughter Snøfrid married Harald Fairhair and they had 5 children together)

[Albion]

There were also some non-Germanic peoples living in south Norway just thousand years ago(Svåse the Finn king of Dovre was obviously not Germanic) and they mixed with the Norse(Svåse's daughter Snøfrid married Harald Fairhair and they had 5 children togheter)

Yes, the ancestors of the Sami and Finnic peoples extended much further south in Norway and Sweden in the past.
I always thought that the Norwegians and Swedes would have absorbed a lot of them but the Germanic purity nuts at Skadi always argued otherwise. Some would have fled north, but I think most were absorbed myself.

[Rødskjegg]

Southern Norway and Sweden was inhabited before the Sami arrived in Scandinavia.

[Pallantides]

Yes, the ancestors of the Sami and Finnic peoples extended much further south in Norway and Sweden in the past.
I always thought that the Norwegians and Swedes would have absorbed a lot of them but the Germanic purity nuts at Skadi always argued otherwise. Some would have fled north, but I think most were absorbed myself.

Well most of the East Norwegian participants on the Eurogenes project score around 1-2% Siberian while Danes and most of the West Norwegians score little to no Siberian at all(modern Saami are usually 5-7% Siberian)

[Albion]

Southern Norway and Sweden was inhabited before the Sami arrived in Scandinavia.

I thought the Sami were aboriginal to the North with latter input from the Finnics whilst the Germanics were native to the south (via their predecessors' cultures).

[Pallantides]

I have a thread about the Saami presence in South Norway here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42805

[Albion]

Well most of the East Norwegian participants on the Eurogenes project score around 1-2% Siberian while Danes and most of the West Norwegians score little to no Siberian at all(modern Saami are usually 5-7% Siberian)

Isn't there any better way than looking for Siberian admixture? Have any skeletal remains been tested - do we know any results for the Sami in past centuries? Basically are the Sami diluted Siberians or has the Siberian admixture always occurred at around the same level?

Maybe I've got this wrong but I thought maternally they were aboriginal Euro, paternally Finnic?
I don't think Siberian admixture is what we should be looking for though, I don't think they should be too different from their Germanic neighbours to be honest. The Germanics in Scandinavia descend from both the aboriginal inhabitants and Indo-European invaders - Sami seem to reflect the aboriginal inhabitants which didn't settle and start farming.

[Pallantides]

They have tested the remains of three Swedish hunter & gatherers from Gotland and they were closer to Poles than they were modern Swedes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48166



The Siberian I find interesting because it seem to be lacking in the West Norwegians, but show up at 1-2% in East Norwegians, it have to come from somewhere right?

[Albion]

They have tested the remains of two Swedish hunter & gatherers from Gotland and they were closer to Poles than they were modern Swedes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48166



The Siberian I find interesting because it seem to be lacking in the West Norwegians, but show up at 1-2% in East Norwegians, it have to come from somewhere right?

Well that's Gotland. Islands are always a bit different from the mainland because it was easier to travel by water in the past. I also noticed this in the post:

So I think it's pretty clear we're dealing here with an individual of mostly deep East Mediterranean origin, who's ancestors made their way from West Asia to Europe via maritime routes (settling islands like Sardinia in the process), and then to Scandinavia via Western and Central Europe. They probably picked up their minority, although substantial, Northern European admixture in what is now Germany or Scandinavia. Of course, the other option is that the Mediterranean farmers went straight to Scandinavia by boat.

I don't think these two individuals will have much to do with the Sami or former hunter-gatherers of mainland Scandinavia. I'd like to see results from Ertebølle remains, that'd be a good starting point.

[Pallantides]

That's the Neolithic farmer, he is unrelated to the three Hunter & Gatherers.

the three Neolithic hunter gatherers appeared largely outside the distribution of the modern sample, but in the vicinity of Finnish and northern European individuals (Fig. 1A). In contrast, the Neolithic farmer clustered with southern Europeans, but was differentiated from Levantine individuals