Danes and Denmark

**Ánleifr** · 05-31-2012, 04:00 PM

so if the Jutes would have stayed put and thrived as a tribe in Jutland they would certainly be considered Scandinavian just like the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians, would you agree?

**~~Albion~~** · 05-31-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tuck

so if the Jutes would have stayed put and thrived as a tribe in Jutland they would certainly be considered Scandinavian just like the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians, would you agree?

I'm not sure, possibly. the Jutes in England were considered a bit "odd" compared to the other tribes which settled. However this could be in part because the Jutes in England came under heavy Frankish influence (especially Kent).

If the Jutes had stayed put in Jutland I think they'd still be considered Scandinavians today and possibly either a separate kingdom or united with the Danes as their descendants there currently are.

**Siginulfo** · 05-31-2012, 04:29 PM

The Danes previously inhabited the Danish islands, then, when the Jutes and Angles went to Britain, they took possession of the uninhabited lands of them.

**~~Albion~~** · 05-31-2012, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Italian Norman

The Danes previously inhabited the Danish islands, then, when the Jutes and Angles went to Britain, they took possession of the uninhabited lands of them.

Jutland wasn't abandoned - many stayed behind but their numbers were depleted.
You wouldn't really leave Jutland to go to England if you didn't need to - it'd be a massive upheaval fraught with risks. Lack of farm land and resources must have pushed a large part of the population to it.
Think about it - there would have been trade and contact between Britain and Jutland and quite a few of them would have seen the place or heard stories about it. My point is they'd have had a good idea of what it was like, and what it is like is similar to Jutland. Jutes wouldn't have headed to Eastern England unless they were after something and what they were after was new lands IMO. They sure weren't heading south for the weather anyway.

The ones that stayed behind were less numerous in number and so were incorporated into the Danes. The population pressure was relieved though, overpopulation was more easily reached in those days.