View Poll Results: Which ones are immoral to you?

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  • Pre-marital sex

    6 16.22%
  • Abortion

    13 35.14%
  • Homosexuality

    9 24.32%
  • Honor killings

    28 75.68%
  • Divorce

    9 24.32%
  • Murder

    31 83.78%
  • Lying

    25 67.57%
  • Adultery (cheating on spouse)

    33 89.19%
  • Cheating on boyfriend/girlfriend

    30 81.08%
  • Arguing with an elder

    4 10.81%
  • Perjury

    24 64.86%
  • Stealing

    30 81.08%
  • Physical altercation (minus self defense)

    22 59.46%
  • Miscegenation (race-mixing)

    11 29.73%
  • Not following a religion (even if you believe in a god)

    1 2.70%
  • Not believing in a god of any kind/Atheism

    2 5.41%
  • Polygamy

    17 45.95%
  • Masturbation

    2 5.41%
  • None of them.

    0 0%
  • All of them.

    0 0%
  • Other (Specify)

    6 16.22%
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Thread: Which of these do you perceive as "immoral"?

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    Default Which of these do you perceive as "immoral"?

    Check off all of the things you think of as immoral.

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    Of course, thees are strictly my opinion.
    Not like to impose them on anyone.

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    Honor Killings
    Murder
    Lying
    Adultury
    Cheating
    Perjury
    Stealing
    Miscegenation (only for myself, I don´t care what others do)
    Polygamy

    Abortion and Physical Altercation, only in some cases.
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    In order of seriousness:

    1. Honor killings
    2. Murder
    3. Adultery (cheating on spouse)
    4. Perjury
    5. Cheating
    6. Physical altercation (minus self defense)
    7. Lying
    8. Stealing
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    I picked;

    Honor Killings
    Murder
    Lying
    Adultery
    Cheating
    Perjury
    Stealing
    Physical Altercations
    Polygamy

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepytigers View Post
    I picked;

    Honor Killings
    Murder
    Lying
    Adultery
    Cheating
    Perjury
    Stealing
    Physical Altercations
    Polygamy
    What about racemixing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    What about racemixing?
    No.

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    1. Honor killings
    2. Murder
    3. Adultery (cheating on spouse)
    4. Stealing
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    While I dislike the term 'morality' (which I consider to incorporate both psychological and behavioural prohibitions derived from some transcendental realm, supposedly comprehensible to some degree to the human mind), I'll take the bait and throw in my two cents. I hold life to be the cornerstone of ethics - not the preservation of all life, because that would outlaw the species of homo sapiens as being the apex predator par excellence, but rather, that what is right for a being to do is to be determined by its form and 'function'. I consider humans to be organic, living creatures with the definitive capacity to rationally percieve, excogitate and act.

    Accordingly... I find homosexuality to be aesthetically disgusting and fundamentally anti-life, being contrary to the requirement of any successful living being to reproduce.

    Lying is the purposeful distortion of rationally comprehensible reality, the same reality which one must understand through the use of reason in order to survive. Therefore, lying is unethical, and must be discouraged.

    Adultery, being the violation of reproductively-orientated pair bonding between two humans of the opposite sex, is tanamount to moral fraud, and disrupts the cohesion of a society - a society being a cluster of human interrelationships which result in vastly increased standards of living, resources and the securing of conditions necessary for human life.
    I cannot condemn both honour killing (understood in the most narrow definition, being the destruction of parties to adultery) while opposing adultery, though I find honour killing distasteful and liable to be perverted by the passions of the injured party. Instead, I would advocate the abolition of no-fault divorce, a fair and open trial by one's peers, and outlawry/exile.

    In this context, it is likewise logically necessary to condemn cheating on a boyfriend/girlfriend, such a phase of life essentially being a training exercise for the formation of long-term relationships which ought to result in offspring. However, justice must be proportionate to the offence, and so the sanction must be much lesser than that for adultery. Shame is a powerful behavioural corrective tool where self-respect is encouraged as a virtue - and it ought to be.

    Justice, considered as the means by which the good life is upheld and advanced, is both applicable to the individual on his own and society on a broader scale. Perjury is therefore an offence against the community and a distortion of reality on a personal level, and must be condemned.

    It is obvious that life may be handed out willy-nilly to anything that survives gestation, though the means of survival beyond that point are certainly not guarenteed. The greatest tool for man's survival is his mind - it is his means of apprehending reality as well as formulating the means to modifying that reality in accordance with his will. It is his application of labour to effect his plans which distinguishes plans from pipe-dreams, however, and man is entitled to the exclusive ownership of the product of his labour. Accordingly, theft violates a condition necessary for life, and must be sanctioned.

    Man, asides from being a rational animal, is also a social animal. He is raised in a family, into a broader community, with customs, values and mores which provide a broad outline for his own identity, the origins of which stretch far back beyond living memory, forged by triumphs and defeats of both those who came before him and those who presently surround him. In addition to this, he is also he living being, a vehicle for the transmission of life in the most elemental, biological sense. In seeking to reproduce beyond the scope of his cultural and biological (racial) group, he does disseminate the life of which he is the vehicle, both culturally and biologically, though he also dilutes what of his own life may survive his own death. It therefore should be discouraged.

    As for the other options listed... I can't stomach abortion, though I'll readily recognise that in cases such as incest and rape, some things are better of not being. Divorce, unfortunately, is necessary on occasion. Sometimes old people are wrong. I think some people need to be beaten up occasionally, because nothing instills good conduct like a broken nose - though predatory aggression contradicts the value of life. Polygamy must be condemned as a potential threat to the stability of society. Masturbation, while useless, is harmless. I'll not begrudge a man his choice of Gods or lack thereof, though that's a reflection of the values of my own society. Values and personal conduct are far more important.

    In-group predatory aggression that takes the form of killing, needless to say, violates the conditions necessary for life. Aggression towards an out-group... that's more complicated, and should (and does) rightfully fall under the domain of politics. I have no objections to the theory of Just War.

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    -Adultery and cheating are immoral not because of the act, but because of the lie.
    -Perjury is immoral if it was given with free will, not in a court where witnesses must swear. Any coercion to give oath releases oath giver from obligation to uphold it. That should be acknowledged by those in power, so as not to render oaths meaningless.

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