I am just kiddin mate. It`s just if i would link to that video and talk about Turks, i would be automatically branded as "pan-turkist, turanist propagandist".Originally Posted by Loki
Btw who wrote these tags, lol;
stupid retards can't even type "onur", turkey is a middle eastern country, unur is ashamed to be a turk, unur is better than onur, unur is greek undercover agent, unur is my love, unur is speechless, unur should be exiled, who is unur lol
You don't care for the fact that Heyerdahl wasn't a historian and that no one but Heyerdahl himself actually believed in this in the academic world? There's no support for his theory, his theory has been widely criticized and it's simply just a pseudotheory that no academic deems plausible. And I'm not even overdoing it by stating this. Norwegian academic circles criticized him and his works a lot. And rightly so.
Did you just simply reject my whole argument on the basis of the first paragraph? Did you read any further than that? Odin comes from proto-Germanic Wotanaz, not Udi. Æsir comes from proto-Germanic and PIE, it's a cognate to Sanskrit asura 'god' for example.
Many parts of his theories just don't fit with reality, some of the toponyms, etc. that he links to Norse mythological names came long after the Norse mythology itself, for instance those brought by Turks. He links Azof with æshoff (which could easily be explained in Norwegian), even though that name came 1000 years after the Æsirs of Heyerdahl. Moreover, you can't simply compare modern forms with ancient ones without looking at the development of the language.
All of this can be explained much better within the Germanic languages, why even make comparisons between unrelated languages like Turkish (which didn't exist in those parts at that time) and Caucasian languages with Germanic languages? The only thing that makes sense is the comparison between Indo-Iranian Ossetic and Germanic.
Lastly, I believe the burden of proof is on you. Your explanation is the least plausible, most outlandish and least accepted. Great claims need great proof. You have made yourself quite clear, however, you have a bias and you will stand by it no matter what, accepting only what you yourself want to accept. This is why you ask anyone to disprove Heyerdahl with facts, while ignoring that Heyerdahl doesn't rely on facts himself.
@ SometimesYes I am sorry, I didn't mean to appear rude, you are very nice
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I did care, and the burden of proof is on you, I am sorry.
Only Odin came from far regions and a handful, and he had a profound influence on Germanic religion.
You cannot compare modern ethnos to a small group who migrated northwards. Of course the vast majority of Scandinavian ancestry is local, where the Germanic people arrived from in their un-heimat (southern Sweden and Denmark). Add to that the Battle-Axe culture that came from the East, and you have the modern Germanic peoples.
I have no bias, only a search for knowledge, you have to believe me. To outright reject Heyerdahl is irresponsible.
He wasn't even the first - Swedish intellectuals came up first with that theory.
Compare I1 ancestry in Scandinavia with I1 in Balkans ...
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consider it as a badge of honour
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Mate, how old are you? I have investigated Germanic religion since I was a teenager. I am now 39. Some of my friends are scholars from the University of Oslo - the guys who set up SNPA. They have now moved onto other projects.
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Regarding a possible Anatolian (IE) nexus for Thor. From a post of mine over at ABF:
I am not very familiar with Norse and ancient Anatolian mythology. I am curious whether there is any relationship between the Hittite/Hurrian deity Teshub/Tarhun/Taru and Thor?
Teshub was the Hurrian god of sky and storm. He was derived from the Hattian Taru. His Hittite and Luwian name was Tarhun (with variant stem forms Tarhunt, Tarhuwant, Tarhunta), although this name is from the Hittite root *tarh- to defeat, conquer.[1][2][3]
He is depicted holding a triple thunderbolt and a weapon, usually an axe (often double-headed) or mace.In Norse mythology, Thor (from Old Norse Þórr) is a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength, the protection of mankind, and also hallowing, healing, and fertility.Thor, pictured in an Icelandic manuscript (1760)
Thor's Battle Against the Jötnar (1872) by Mårten Eskil Winge
Dunno about that, but Turkish men have always drooled over European women: From Ottoman time to the Gastarbeiter days.
Neither you, Thor Heyerdahl or anyone who stand for this theory has as yet proven anything. Your views are revisionist; therefore you should prove it.
Yet that's not the original claim. The original claim is that Odin along with other components belonging to Norse mythology, such as the Æsir, originates in Azerbaijan/Caucasus/Black Sea. The theory doesn't have anything to do with Germanics either, the theory is about the Norse specifically. There's just so many holes in this theory, f.e. that it is loosely threaded together and doesn't take anything previously known.Only Odin came from far regions and a handful, and he had a profound influence on Germanic religion.
Thor Heyerdahl made this theory on the basis of several connections he saw. You can't choose which one of those connections are convenient and which aren't: you have to choose them all. Each connection is represented by a domino brick and if anyone pushes one domino brick over every domino brick will fall as well.
I wouldn't try making mythology into something real. Odin never actually existed, he's a figment of fiction that existed to explain the world from a pagan-religious pov. (The same can be said for Snorre's sage, it was never meant to be taken as facts, it was a story made for entertainment.) Etymologically, Odin comes from Wodanaz. (W)odan(az)->Odin- It probably comes from PG for fury 'odr' or knowledge 'woden'.
The theory that Odin comes from Azerbaijan is based on the fact that there is a people and a language called Udi. Thor Heyerdahl links Odin to Udi. This is of course completely wrong, Odin is a theonym with strong roots in both Germanic and IE. There's nothing that supports any connection between Udi and Odin.
None of Heyerdahl's onomastic explanations hold any water at all. It can all be explained through IE and Germanic with an actual meaning rather than just a similar sound and in a much better context. For example, some of the place names like Azov, which Heyerdahl wrongfully credited as being related to Ashof from Snorre's saga (which are not meant to be taken literally), Azov as a toponym is much younger than Norse mythology and Odin and it came with the Turks.
But there is no sign of that small group of Azerbaijani Odin.You cannot compare modern ethnos to a small group who migrated northwards. Of course the vast majority of Scandinavian ancestry is local, where the Germanic people arrived from in their un-heimat (southern Sweden and Denmark). Add to that the Battle-Axe culture that came from the East, and you have the modern Germanic peoples.
Yet you take a firm stance based on ample evidence which you should be able to deduce as false by the simple use of critical thinking. This theory isn't logical and I don't believe your choice to stand by it no matter what is logical either; this choice was based on something completely other than logic.I have no bias, only a search for knowledge, you have to believe me. To outright reject Heyerdahl is irresponsible.
That you wrongfully give the credit to Turks, who weren't in the region at the time and there is no reason to give credit to, is a proof of that.
I reject Heyerdahl on the basis of critical thinking and facts. I don't accept deny anything until I have considered the facts. Moreover, I dislike that pseudoscience gets any attention at all.
Afaik, he was the first. That doesn't even matter though, I don't care about the person, I care about the idea.He wasn't even the first - Swedish intellectuals came up first with that theory.
I1 is relatively sparse in the Balkans, I don't see what relation this has with this, however.Compare I1 ancestry in Scandinavia with I1 in Balkans ...
I think a mixture of 1,2,3 but with emphasis on Pre-Turkic Anatolian
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