Bell Beaker examples

[Insuperable]

You all are puzzled why some look and morphology is present in Iberia and in Britain and in the Balkans by arguing about Dinarids and Cromagnoids, arguing based on an extinct anthropology. You will get far.

There is about tons of liferature out there about nations history and prehistory based on genetic data.
You live in stone age.
Horten wants to prove that we all are connected with Albanians

[Damião de Góis]

Examinations of skeletons from burial grounds done by several anthropologists.

Coon and Gunther? I'm not sure if they should be quoted... i don't think modern anthropologists use terms like "Dinaric". Also, i have no idea of what skeletons they examined (if any), but this doesn't make sense if we look at where Bell Beaker culture was widespread:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture

[Dilberth]

Dinarization is a process,it's not really well established type.

[Dilberth]

Btw you who dismiss racial anthropology should not write on this subforum.

[Damião de Góis]

Btw you who dismiss racial anthropology should not write on this subforum.

I just said it was outdated. But i could be wrong, feel free to show me modern physical anthropologists. What i meant was that if skeletons were found now, they wouldn't be "classified", and i doubt people are taught how to classify on anthropology courses at university.

[gold_fenix]

well baskid for example have strong dinaric features but they are dolicocephalic , all these teories fail with a genetical problem, the basques the second people in Europe with highest often of R1b, null autosomal DNA in West Asian or SA component and they the oldest in Europe, either we have to forget that the oldest hominid rest in Europe come from Iberia

[Dilberth]

I just said it was outdated. But i could be wrong, feel free to show me modern physical anthropologists. What i meant was that if skeletons were found now, they wouldn't be "classified", and i doubt people are taught how to classify on anthropology courses at university.

It is not the question is it outdated or not,question is why bother writting on anhropology section if you dismiss it?My post wasn't dirrected to you but to Solin.

[Panopticon]

You all are puzzled why some look and morphology is present in Iberia and in Britain and in the Balkans by arguing about Dinarids and Cromagnoids, arguing based on an extinct anthropology. You will get far.

There is about tons of liferature out there about nations history and prehistory based on genetic data.
You live in stone age.

Anthropology isn't as worthless as you deem it to be. There clearly are certain morphological traits that correlate together, call it Dinarid or whatever you want to, but those traits are still going to be there. The argument was an anthropological one, so please, try going through this before you reply.

Horten wants to prove that we all are connected with Albanians

I don't. The original claim that Albanians are closest to Bell Beakers phenotypically is not mine either. Agrippa claimed that, but I guess your usual inexpressive opinions are better.

Try posting something constructive for a change.

Coon and Gunther? I'm not sure if they should be quoted... i don't think modern anthropologists use terms like "Dinaric". Also, i have no idea of what skeletons they examined (if any), but this doesn't make sense if we look at where Bell Beaker culture was widespread:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture

Yes, Coon and Guenther. You can call it Dinarid, x, y or whatever, but the traits related to certain types will still be the same.

The Bell Beakers did find their way to the Balkans, however. That seems to be agreed on. http://www.bris.ac.uk/archanth/staff/heyd/Krakow1.pdf

The Bell Beaker populations of Central Europe probably went further down south to the Balkans. It's clear that Central Europe influenced the Balkans regions, not only the Bell Beakers but several other cultures.

But let's say that the Bell Beakers had a Dinaroid and Cromagnoid element, then the premise would be that for Albanians to resemble the Bell Beakers phenotypically, then they would need to have those basic phenotypes.

They do have those basic elements, actually the Dinarid element is very strong and the Cromagnoid element is rather strong as well. And certain traits are found especially among Albanians: brachycephal skulls with flattened occiputs.

It isn't even necessary for the Bell Beakers to have influenced that region (which they actually did), the only thing necessary is the selection of Dinaroid traits for the development of such a type, independently of the Bell Beakers or not.

Just let me make this clear, the argument isn't whether Albanians are the closest to the Bell Beakers in terms of genetics, culture, etc., the argument is that there is a possibility of phenotypical resemblance greater than any other population.

[Ibericus]

But it's not even sure the Bell Beaker culture consisted of a uniform popultion, but instead we could be talking of different populations participating of that culture. We only have one R1b tested, and is from Germany.

[Sikeliot]

Bell Beaker culture would likely be related to the Paleolithic Southern European components we find in genetic analysis/West Med/Basque type genes.