Are Southern Navarrans Basques or Spaniards?

[Ibericus]

Basque are basque to me. Never really thought of them as Iberians. Only thought of them as basque since they are distinct from other populations around them

Not really. Populations around them have similar culture (Cantabrians, Rioja, Northern Aragonese, etc). For example, they share similar mythology, traditions, customs, folklore.

[Cristiano viejo]

Basque are basque to me. Never really thought of them as Iberians. Only thought of them as basque since they are distinct from other populations around them

Basques are Iberians, for start with. Even their language is related with the old Iberian language.
Saying they are distinct than the rest is hilarious and shows your ignorance.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Basques are Iberians, for start with. Even their language is related with the old Iberian language.
Saying they are distinct than the rest is hilarious and shows your ignorance.

Well they are different, even gentically. And they also expand out to french regions.
They dont cluster that close to iberians like castillians and celto iberians.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

When the carthagenians lost many of the iberian tribes were decimated. Cantabrians and celto iberians were the ones that kept on resisting mainly.

Basque avoided this fate because they were pro romans.

Later on much of whatever was left of iberian tribes was mixed. Basque are very much the same as they were for several thousands of years. While the rest of iberians are too mixed as well with roman ancestries. Including visigoth ancestry. It would be weird to think the rest of iberia is very close to basque. Only close in the aspect of interaction maybe. As you also had vandals and suebi tribes.

[Melki]

Dont fix anything, Basques are Spanish, does not matter where they live. Happens the same with Catalans. But perhaps you think Catalans from Rosellón, Cerdaña, etc are not Spanish neither

Come and say that to people north of the border, Espinguin, and you're a dead man, especially when you consider that French Basques and French Catalans are peoples of rugby players, (football is too effeminate for us).

Besides, of all the languages spoken in Spain, Castillan is the one which was the most influenced by Euskera. While Aragonese and Asturo-Leonese always kept their initial Latin "f", Castillan lost it, because originally, it didn't exist in Basque (examples: "hacer/facer","harina/farina", "humo/fumo", "herido/ferido", "hierro/ferro", "halcón/falcón", "hilo/filo", "hoguera/foguera"...and the list is long.

The Basque language had a strong influence in all Iberia. Words like "izquierda" sound Basque (comes from eskerra) and are found as far away as Catalonia (esquerra) and Portugal (esquerda)

[Cristiano viejo]

Well they are different, even gentically. And they also expand out to french regions.
They dont cluster that close to iberians like castillians and celto iberians.

Clustering really means little. Spanish can cluster with French or North Italians, that does not mean we are French or North Italians

Come and say that to people north of the border, Espinguin, and you're a dead man, especially when you consider that French Basques and French Catalans are peoples of rugby players, (football is too effeminate for us).

Seriously? nah, look what happened this week in Bilbao between some Andalusian Betis supporter and your supossed brave Euskalduns.
Because it is exactly what you are asking to do

Besides, of all the languages spoken in Spain, Castillan is the one which was the most influenced by Euskera. While Aragonese and Asturo-Leonese always kept their initial Latin "f", Castillan lost it, because originally, it didn't exist in Basque (examples: "hacer/facer","harina/farina", "humo/fumo", "herido/ferido", "hierro/ferro", "halcón/falcón", "hilo/filo", "hoguera/foguera"...and the list is long.

The Basque language had a strong influence in all Iberia. Words like "izquierda" sound Basque (comes from eskerra) and are found as far away as Catalonia (esquerra) and Portugal (esquerda)

For once I agree with you. Thanks to show how both languages are related. You only lacked to say that Castilla was created, in part, by Basques.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Clustering really means little. Spanish can cluster with French or North Italians, that does not mean we are French or North Italians




Seriously? nah, look what happened this week in Bilbao between some Andalusian Betis supporter and your supossed brave Euskalcuns.
Because it is exactly what you are asking to do





For once I agree with you. Thanks to show how both languages are related. You only lacked to say that Castilla was created, in part, by Basques.

It does because you have celtic ancestry and french have celtic ancestry. Thats why you would cluster a bit.

North italian = ostrogothic related to visigoth
And roman latin ancestry

[Cristiano viejo]

The lefty government of Navarra will declarate Basque language as official, despite only 6,2% of Navarrese speak it, according a sociolinguistic survey of 2016
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players.../250049798.jpg

[caviezel]

I remember this thread. I asked if South Navarrese where Basques or Spaniards and our resident spanish nationalists told me it's a moot point because Basques are nothing else than 100% Spaniards. When someone pointed out that by the same logic you can say the same thing of French Basques being 100% French, they went full autistic screeching mode and one even suggested South-Western French are not really French but Iberians. try to convince the Gascons of that and they're gonna kick your ass from here to eternity.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I remember this thread. I asked if South Navarrese where Basques or Spaniards and our resident spanish nationalists told me it's a moot point because Basques are nothing else than 100% Spaniards. When someone pointed out that by the same logic you can say the same thing of French Basques being 100% French, they went full autistic screeching mode and one even suggested South-Western French are not really French but Iberians. try to convince the Gascons of that and they're gonna kick your ass from here to eternity.

There is nationality and then there is ethnicity. Your ethnicity can be Jewish (they have their own language and are a distinct cultural group), for example, and you can be German. It's not rocket science.

Or if that's difficult to understand think of French Basques. They are French by nationality. They've lived within the French cultural world for centuries but ethnically they are Basques. So someone could call a French Basque a Frenchmen because of their long history within the French cultural an political universe and also refer to them as Basque.