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    Default Cyprus problem is fuelling Racism

    In Nicosia last week, marchers from the ultra-nationalist youth group ELAM (Greek popular front) attacked two Asian bystanders. A Nigerian man was beaten and forced into the path of a moving car.

    This incident takes its place in the recent litany of violence against foreign workers, students or, in the most notorious case, a 15-year-old Afro-Cypriot assaulted by 40 of her classmates while their teachers stood by. Earlier this year, the Palestinian community centre in Larnaca was vandalised, while the headquarters of the anti-racist organisation KISA are regularly graffitied with swastikas.

    It is typical for another reason – the general absence of public sympathy. The teachers' union obstructed punishment of the schoolgirl's attackers, and the Cypriot police are so unwilling to even record racially aggravated assaults that many non-white migrants no longer bother. Listening to opinions on TV phone-ins and talk radio, it becomes clear that the attitude of wider society is that "i xeni" (foreigners) should not be here in the first place, and so deserve whatever they get.

    There is an irony here, given the number of Cypriots who emigrated in the 60s and 70s to seek a better life abroad. Indeed, some estimates put the number of diaspora Cypriots as being greater than the remaining population of the island. As Denis MacShane remarked last week, Cypriots have become a formidable enough voting block in London that they may prove a significant obstacle to David Cameron's desire for closer ties with Turkey.

    Of course, Cyprus is not alone in struggling to cope with rising immigration. Indeed, due to geographical proximity to both Africa and Asia, and to the porous Green Line, Cyprus has one of the highest rates of migration – both legal and illegal – in Europe.

    Nonetheless, there is something uniquely callous in the Cypriot attitude to asylum seekers, economic migrants and, to put it most simply, non-whites of all kinds. It is more striking given the low crime and unemployment rates, the high GDP per capita compared with all neighbouring nations, and the island's long history of welcoming outsiders (such as refugees from the Armenian genocide in 1915).

    The major source of such disregard for people outside one's own ethnic group is the Cyprus problem, and no solution currently on the table would address this. Whether one chooses to date the situation to the invasion by Turkey in 1974, the coup by junta-officered Greek Cypriots the same year, the bombings by Turkey in 1964, the attempt by Greek Cypriots to tear up the constitution in 1963, or simply to the British colonial strategy of divide and rule, the fact is that Cypriots have been split along ethnic lines far beyond living memory. The sandbags and barbed wire of the Green Line that runs through the middle of Nicosia are only the most potent reminder of this.

    Since 1974, the international conversation about Cyprus has been of "bi-communal solutions". Both sides have formally committed to separate administrations for Greek and Turkish Cypriots plus a central assembly where representatives of the two sides will meet in equal numbers. Another possible solution, talked of with increasing frequency, is of a permanent partition into two states. External parties – the UN, EU, UK, Greece and Turkey – allow no other possibilities to be discussed.

    Allowing only two ethnicities into the national conversation encourages zero-sum thinking, where "we" can only win if "they" lose. Both sides try hard to portray themselves as the only victims of the conflict, often in toe-curlingly exaggerated language.

    Like all victim complexes, the Cypriot version leaves little room for nuanced understanding of a newly multicultural country. Faced in the 1950s with the need to formally assign minorities to one of the two permitted groups, Cypriot authorities decided the question along religious lines, with the mostly Muslim Roma becoming "Turkish" and the Catholic Maronites "Greek". How might they deal with today's growing Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish populations? Why should their descendants be forced to become "Greek" or "Turkish"?

    Without external pressure to admit that the biggest injustices on the island these days are practiced against non-indigenous populations, Cypriots will continue to assume a pose of self-righteous victimhood.
    Note: Maronites are Arabo-Levantine Christians, Roma or Rroma are Gypsies.


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    Interesting read. I've heard of certain orthodox christian members of lebanese society increasingly identifying with helenic culture (presumably through the presence of greeks in the past in that part of the world), but it is interesting to hear of maronite catholics being categorized within the confines of the orthodox greeks.

    Reminds me just a little of Quebec in the 40's, you were either english, french, or jewish (ie everyone else - including arabs interestingly, even if you weren't jewish).
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    I would put you mostly in the Atlantid/Nordomediterranid category with SLIGHT Dinarid influences.
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    Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid generally, although I would say more on the Mediterranid side, and there does seem to be some additional Dinaro-Alpinoid influences.

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    did you expect something different from Greek Cypriots?

    ELAM is the Cyprus branch of Greek Golden Dawn. They are neo-nazis admiring the days of fascist military junta in 1960-1970s. Fascist attacks to foreigners are so common in southern Greek Cyprus side and they occasionally beat or stab random foreigners in the streets.

    They are supposedly want to unite the island once again but it`s something impossible anymore due to the fascist environment in there. I mean, they can randomly beat Africans in there because no one cares about them but if the island would be united right now, they would surely attack the Turks in the north and Turkey would have zero patience towards these gypsy looking nazi wannabe Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    did you expect something different from Greek Cypriots?

    ELAM is the Cyprus branch of Greek Golden Dawn. They are neo-nazis admiring the days of fascist military junta in 1960-1970s. Fascist attacks to foreigners are so common in southern Greek Cyprus side and they occasionally beat or stab random foreigners in the streets.

    They are supposedly want to unite the island once again but it`s something impossible anymore due to the fascist environment in there. I mean, they can randomly beat Africans in there because no one cares about them but if the island would be united right now, they would surely attack the Turks in the north and Turkey would have zero patience towards these gypsy looking nazi wannabe Greeks.
    Gypsy-looking, I don't know...but definitely violence is never the answer! It is tragic indeed and very disturbing that these kind of actions are permissible.
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    Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid generally, although I would say more on the Mediterranid side, and there does seem to be some additional Dinaro-Alpinoid influences.

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    Why on earth you posted this in Turkey's section CW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandelion View Post
    Why on earth you posted this in Turkey's section CW?
    Well it seemed to be dealing with the Turkish issue more so, and there was no Cyprus section. I would have put it there, but you are more welcome to move it to the correct place that you feel for it, because honestly I don't know where to put it. I thought of putting in the Greece but it seemd to focus on the Turks hence why. If this section is not appropiate for it, certainly it should be moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CircassianWine View Post
    Well it seemed to be dealing with the Turkish issue more so, and there was no Cyprus section. I would have put it there, but you are more welcome to move it to the correct place that you feel for it, because honestly I don't know where to put it. I thought of putting in the Greece but it seemd to focus on the Turks hence why. If this section is not appropiate for it, certainly it should be moved.
    Its about Greek Popular Front, and the Republic of Cyprus as well as non-Cypriot or non-Turkish immigrants.

    Yes, there is no Cypriot section, its more relevant to the Greek but it should be moved to the general regional section since Cyprus is an independant country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exceeder View Post
    Gypsy-looking, I don't know...
    Yes, it was my bad. The neo-nazis in Greece looks like gypsies but the ones in Cyprus are probably a mix of gypsy+north African abominations.

    but definitely violence is never the answer! It is tragic indeed and very disturbing that these kind of actions are permissible.
    They are randomly attacking the foreigners but they are doing this because they cant reach to the Turks in the north due to 15.000 Turkish soldiers protecting the border. Thats why the island is in peace since 1974. If there would be no Turkish army in there, then these neo-nazis would surely attack to the Turks as they did between 1960-1974.

    This is some kind of norm in Greek Cyprus, also supported by Greek Cypriot state and church just as same as in Greece. Cypriot archbishop also openly supports these ELAM neo-nazis. Even their PM said that the Cypriot church directly finance the fascists in Cyprus. Read here;
    http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/EN...rn-cyprus.html


    Quote Originally Posted by CircassianWine View Post
    Well it seemed to be dealing with the Turkish issue more so, and there was no Cyprus section. I would have put it there, but you are more welcome to move it to the correct place that you feel for it, because honestly I don't know where to put it. I thought of putting in the Greece but it seemd to focus on the Turks hence why. If this section is not appropiate for it, certainly it should be moved.
    Actually it`s not that appropriate to the Turkish section since 1974 because like i explained above, as much as the Greek Cypriot fascists wanna attack and kill the Turks in there, they cant do that due to the presence of Turkish army in the border. So, they cant hurt us but they just randomly attack other foreigners in the southern side.

    Greek fascists tried to invade to the north about ~15 years ago. One of them tried to remove Turkish flag in the border and our soldiers opened fire to him and he died. Since then, they cannot even dare to get close to our border in there.

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    Those happenings are sad to happen.

    But I think its sad that they are happening only in Republic of Cyprus, and no other country in the world has that kind of issues *(yes, this is irony)*

    Anyway, Onur once again comment with irrelevant (as always) comments about the issue.But what's funny is not that, but that a Turk is actually making that comments.

    Its like having a whore talking about morality and virginity.

    He is talking about illtreatment of the immigrants, when they don't treat their citizens. Kurds are 15 millions, and they are not yet recognized as minority...
    15 millions !!!

    They are talking about illtreatment, when they created a pogrom in '55 to kick off/kill/destroy their minority. In the same case, we should also protect our minority in Konstantinopole, like you ''did'' in Cyprus, right?

    They are talking about Enosis, when there was also Taksim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Greek fascists tried to invade to the north about ~15 years ago. One of them tried to remove Turkish flag in the border and our soldiers opened fire to him and he died. Since then, they cannot even dare to get close to our border in there.
    Turkish animals killed a Cypriot first. while he , along with other motorcyclists are protesting in the UN buffer zone.

    Some days later, his cousin, went to remove the pseudo flag from the UN BUFFER Zone, and some other animals, shot him in cold blood.
    The animals were identified to be... politicians of the pseudostate. The bastards are being hunted by Interpol. Turkey arrested one of them for smugling, but of course their fair jurical system let them free, despite the Interpol warrant.

    I hope they rot in jail, and be the bitches of hungry africans.

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