Caucasian Avars (people in south russia)

[Jana]

''J1 haplogroup in Dagestan isn't from Arabs, it came in ancient times and is specific to Avars (middle easterners have different subclades). Your people are genetically closer to Chechens who are not Turkic, than to Anatolian Turks or Kazakhs.''
This is very scary, I am writing the scientific data and you still insist on your own thoughts. OK Feiichi, baby, so be it, go on living with your own dreams and romantism but stay away from me. People like you are real threat to the improvement of science.
I couldn't be more proud about my roots, I have no intention in looking like europeans(!) nor being white of the whites but when I see people bullshitting subjectively like ''avars have J1 from ancient times(!!!)'', I cant help laughing and writing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...f_the_Caucasus
Read it. All gentic researches show that cca. 60% of Avar males carry J1 haplogroup, by far mot common among that ethnic group. And no, it doesn't come from Arabs. Avars have nothing to do with Arabs genetically.

J1- Dagestani peoples (Dargins, Lezgins, Avars) belong predominantly to haplogroup J1 (84% among the Dargins) and almost completely lack J2 lineages. The true lineage of the historic Arab people (so mainly from Jordan and Saudi Arabia) is J1-YSC235 and its subclade, J1-P858. The other subclades of J1 cannot be considered to be the paternal descendants of first speakers of Arabic.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml
Surprisingly, even in the Caucasus and in Anatolia, the region where this haplogroup is thought to have originated, there are wide discrepancies between regions. For example, the Kubachi and Dargins from Dagestan in the Northeast Caucasus have over 80% of J1 lineages, while in their Ingush neighbours, 200 km to the north, it barely reaches 3%. East Anatolia around Lake Van sees over 30% of J1, whereas south-west Anatolia has only 2%. Even within Kurdistan frequencies vary greatly. The small sample sizes for each region is surely to blame.

Most of the J1 in the Caucasus, Anatolia and Europe is of the non-J1-P58 variety. These branches diverged from one another during the Ice Age and have nothing to do with Semitic people. In fact the origins of J1 lie around the Caucasus, which explains that all branches other than P58 are most common in that region, as well as in Anatolia and Europe.
G2a and J1 reach their maximal frequencies in the Caucasus, some ethnic groups being almost exclusively J1 (Kubachis, Kaitaks, Dargins, Avars)

[Nanushka]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...f_the_Caucasus
Read it. All gentic researches show that cca. 60% of Avar males carry J1 haplogroup, by far mot common among that ethnic group. And no, it doesn't come from Arabs. Avars have nothing to do with Arabs genetically.

J1- Dagestani peoples (Dargins, Lezgins, Avars) belong predominantly to haplogroup J1 (84% among the Dargins) and almost completely lack J2 lineages. The true lineage of the historic Arab people (so mainly from Jordan and Saudi Arabia) is J1-YSC235 and its subclade, J1-P858. The other subclades of J1 cannot be considered to be the paternal descendants of first speakers of Arabic.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml
Surprisingly, even in the Caucasus and in Anatolia, the region where this haplogroup is thought to have originated, there are wide discrepancies between regions. For example, the Kubachi and Dargins from Dagestan in the Northeast Caucasus have over 80% of J1 lineages, while in their Ingush neighbours, 200 km to the north, it barely reaches 3%. East Anatolia around Lake Van sees over 30% of J1, whereas south-west Anatolia has only 2%. Even within Kurdistan frequencies vary greatly. The small sample sizes for each region is surely to blame.

Most of the J1 in the Caucasus, Anatolia and Europe is of the non-J1-P58 variety. These branches diverged from one another during the Ice Age and have nothing to do with Semitic people. In fact the origins of J1 lie around the Caucasus, which explains that all branches other than P58 are most common in that region, as well as in Anatolia and Europe.
G2a and J1 reach their maximal frequencies in the Caucasus, some ethnic groups being almost exclusively J1 (Kubachis, Kaitaks, Dargins, Avars)

Baby you dont understand. You learn history and people from biased Wiki and I read books and research in deep, thats the difference between us. I give no credit and importance to such outworn encyclopedias delivering western-style imposition and baseless sided info. But you go ahead, enjoy it but lets ignore each other here.

Things will change in the near future though

[wesleypeterson]

Yes they have archaic facial features

That's because they received minimal outside influence. All Europeans with little to no foreign ancestry seem to share similar facial characteristics such as Saamis, Basques, Sardinians, North Caucasians, Balkanites

[Nanushka]

Below you can check how Avars dance in compilation of dances and music of Caucasia by Georgian National ballet Sukhishvili


and this one is from the group Lezginka that plays the dance and music of northern Caucasia


to understand the culture and how crazy people we are

[Root]

Buusra, you don't even know a single word of this song and you are still pretending to be a Ma'arulav..

[Wild North]

Buusra, you don't even know a single word of this song and you are still pretending to be a Ma'arulav..

How similar or different are the Avar and Chechen languages ?

[Kelmendasi]

Don't make me laugh. Scientifically speaking Kavkazian Avars are Turkicized native North Caucasians, genetically closest to to other Caucasians, like Chechen member is saying.
They are west asian primarly with steppic admixture and dominant J1 (middle eastern haplogroup) from fertile crescent that evolved into north-kavkaz specific subclade during centuries.

Nothing to do Avars that settled Pannonian plain and Balkans, who have been heaviliy diluted and assimilated into Slavs. National romance is one thing, genetic reality other.
It's obvious you are a teenager interested in your roots and that's nothing bad in it, but inform yourself about Avars genetics before making a claim about their relatedness with other groups.

The J1 in populations from the Caucasus is native to the Caucasus, J1 itself originates in the Caucasus which is shown by the oldest sample being in a paleolithic sample from Georgia and it reaches it's highest diversity around there and eastern Anatolia as well as the Zagros. So the J1 in Avars is from native CHG peoples

[Root]

How similar or different are the Avar and Chechen languages ?

Both are in one Northcaucasian family, however Avar(Ma'arulal) language sounds very strong and more harsh than the Chechen



the basic similarities..


Chechen


One - tzh'aa
Two - shi'a
Three - kho'a
Four - di'a
Five - phi'a


I - so
You -h'o
He - iza
We - tho
You - shu
They - ish, u'ssha
This - h'ara
That - d'ora
Here - khuzah'
There - tzigah'
Who - mila
What - h'u
Where - michah'
When - matza
How - mug'a
All - masso
Many - dukha, shortta
Other - khi
Wide - shu'ira
Woman - zuda
Man - staga
Thick - stoma
Child - bera
Flower - zezag
Grass - butza
Foot - k'azha
Leg - koga
Knee - gola
Throw - khossa
Sun - malha
Star - seda
Moon - butt
Water - hi
Rain - dog'a
River - ahka
Lake - 1am
Sea - horda
Stone - t'ulga
Cloud - marha
Fog - dohka
Sky - stigal
Wind - moha
Snow - lo
Ice - sha
Smoke - k'ura
Fire - tz'e
Road - nek'a
Mountain - lam
Year - sho




Avar



One - tzo
Two - k'igo
Three - l'abgo
Four - unk'go
Five - sh'yugo


I - dun
You - mun
He - g'ov
We - nizh
You - nuzh
They - dol
This - g'ab
That - dob
Here - anib
There - g'oba
Who - shiv
What - shib
Where - kib
When - kida
How - kin
All - kinabgo
Many - g'emer
Other - bat'iyab
Wide - g'at'idab
Woman - ch'uzhug'adan
Man - bih'inchi
Thick - bitzatab
Child - l'imer
Flower - t'eg'
Grass - her
Foot - h'et'e
Leg - h'et'e
Knee - naku
Throw - rehize
Sun - bak'
Star - ts'va
Moon - motz'
Water - l'im
Rain - tz'ad
River - l'ar
Lake - h'or
Sea - ral'ad
Stone - gamach'
Cloud - nak'k'
Fog - nak'k'
Sky - zob
Wind - g'uri
Snow - g'azu
Ice - tz'er
Smoke - k'k'ui
Fire - tz'a
Road - nuh
Mountain - meg'er
Year - son







from here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...86#post4630086

[Root]

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more interesting is that our languages are similar to the Native American Dene languages such as Tlingit and Navajo..







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[black hole]

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That is why Sergei Starostin(rest in peace) have included them in Dene-Sino-Caucasian family.