Will to Power - Nietzsche

[microrobert]

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[arcticwolf]

One thing I don't get is the fascination with Nietzsche by totalitarians especially the Nazi kind. Nietzsche, did not like, Germans, Germany or German culture. He considered himself a descendant of Polish Nobility, and was extremely proud of it. What's there that the Nazis are missing from Nietzsche's own statements? BTW Poland never claimed Nietzsche, but he sure claimed Poland. This is puzzling to me.

[Breedingvariety]

One thing I don't get is the fascination with Nietzsche by totalitarians especially the Nazi kind.

Nietzsche is claimed to be supportive by many political movements.

Nietzsche, did not like, Germans, Germany or German culture.

That doesn't mean Germans should not like Nietzsche.

He considered himself a descendant of Polish Nobility, and was extremely proud of it.

European nobility feel themselves to be closer than to their ruled common men.

[Barreldriver]

Nietzsche is claimed to be supportive by many political movements.

hmmm, 'twas my understanding that the thoughts of Nietzsche of that nature are not actually of him, rather of his sister who allegedly inserted such things under his name after assuming the control and publication of his works following mental collapse. Could be mistaken but 'tis something to consider all the same.

[Sol Invictus]

SMASH DETERMINISM!

[Superbia]

Nietzsche is claimed to be supportive by many political movements.

That doesn't mean Germans should not like Nietzsche.

European nobility feel themselves to be closer than to their ruled common men.

Exactly. For him it was all about the noble, aristocratic type of human being, which he reckoned had some kind of racial basis but in the sense that each (healthy) race develops his own mechanisms of preserving an upper noble class with the corresponding noble values; and races can of course also be classified in regard of how much they develop such aristocratic traits. So I think he'd subordinate any other distinction to the master - slave, powerful - weak one. Thus he fully acknowledges aristocracies from very diverse races or cultures. See below for a text with confirmation of this.
That claim about Polish ancestry is found in Ecce Homo, which is an autobiographical book and I don't think one can take random statements out of it not having in view his theoretical ideas.



"They go back to the innocent consciousness of a wild beast of prey, as joyful monsters, who perhaps walk away from a dreadful sequence of murder, arson, rape, and torture with exhilaration and spiritual equilibrium, as if they had merely pulled off a student prank, convinced that the poets now have something more to sing about and praise for a long time to come.
At the bottom of all these noble races we cannot fail to recognize the beast of prey, the blond beast splendidly roaming around in its lust for loot and victory. This hidden basis from time to time needs to be discharged: the animal must come out again, must go back into the wilderness,—Roman, Arab, German, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings—in this need they are all alike."

(Genealogy of morals, 1st Essay, §11)



PS: It literally hurts to read Nietzsche in English! Terrible!!

[xajapa]

Odd. Nietzsche couldn't even will his own sanity.

[~Nik~]

Odd. Nietzsche couldn't even will his own sanity.

Obviously, to deliver all the knowledge he has stored up he had to suffer many privations ... if you think that physical pain is stronger then you have learned nothing positive from him (in fact I doubt that you went beyond his biography).

[kabeiros]

Thus he fully acknowledges aristocracies from very diverse races or cultures.

Yes, indeed. Although a lot of people think that he was an anti-Semite, I don't think so. I remember reading in one of his books (The Dawn ???) that by his time, European aristocracies had become weak and it was inevitable to be substituted by a new aristocracy, in which case he favoured the Jews. But he also made anti-Jewish comments in the same book

[Anusiya]

Yes, indeed. Although a lot of people think that he was an anti-Semite, I don't think so. I remember reading in one of his books (The Dawn ???) that by his time, European aristocracies had become weak and it was inevitable to be substituted by a new aristocracy, in which case he favoured the Jews. But he also made anti-Jewish comments in the same book

That's where his sister pops in.