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Espada tengo. Lo demás, Dios lo remedie.
In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
— Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum
Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240
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Democracy wins, when Catalonia gets it's referendum, win or lose.
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Surveys can be manipulated easily. I can make a survey in Cantabria where most "cantabrians" are basque independentist. People asked in surveys are too reduced to be representative, and people who make the survey can manipulate easily the survey to get what they want. You are the only fool who believe in surveys.
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Espada tengo. Lo demás, Dios lo remedie.
In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
— Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum
Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240
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Actually I support to get free from that PCism, as most of it is probably used as a strategy. In words that are not mine: I want a State to stop being a nationalist.
You mean, a graphic sample?
This edict by Louis XIV banning the Catalan language in Northern Catalonia in 1700 is quite clear and not a fake at all, don't you think?
The whole chronology of the repression of the Catalan language in both France and Spain from 1561 to 2012 is very well studied and attested.
Whatever you say. I was an Iberianist in my times at school. Spaniards themselves convinced me later in life not to be one any more, there was hardly any need for indoctrination.
Last week I was talking with a couple from Valladolid who've been living here for only seven years and they already favour independence. Man, they didn't go to school here, they've just got eyes and a critical spirit, they judge things first hand.
Anyway, times to waste our time talking about it have gone. No more pseudodialogues, we've been fools for way too long.
Non sa / Non risponde.
< La Catalogne peut se passer de l'univers entier, et ses voisins ne peuvent se passer d'elle. > Voltaire
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Surely they was faked their support for independence because they had fear of your reaction, in the massive celebration of the National Day of Spain the last October 12 in Cataluńa some agressive independentist assaulted with violence a little boy and his father who were celebrating peacefully their Spanish sentiment.
the Catalan government has already stated that are willing to use the regional police as a weapon, many Spanish people feel insecure in the anti democratic situation of Catalonia.
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Espada tengo. Lo demás, Dios lo remedie.
In the west almost all Spain had been subjugated, except that part which adjoins the cliffs where the Pyrenees end and is washed by the nearer waters of the ocean. Here two powerful nations, the Cantabrians and the Asturians, lived in freedom from the rule of Rome.")
— Lucius Anneus Florus , Epitome de T. Livio Bellorum omnium annorum DCC Libri duo Bellum Cantabricum et Asturicum
Ethnicity of the Celts/Iberian. Tribes: Avariginos, Blendi, Concanos, Coniscos, Orgenomescos, Plentusios, Tamáricos and Vadinienses.--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...40#post3047240
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