CAT| 51% Catalans for independence

[Comte Arnau]

You guys must be democratic and accept reality.

We are being democratic. You are being constitucratic.

[Lábaru]

We are being democratic. You are being constitucratic.

I'm just publishing a survey, the opinion of the majority of Catalans, fact it.

[Graham]

Democracy wins, when Catalonia gets it's referendum, win or lose.

[Comte Arnau]

I'm just publishing a survey, the opinion of the majority of Catalans, fact it.

Next survey you will post:

96% Catalans said they'd rather be Spanish than kill themselves. This proves that they feel Spanish deep in their hearts.

[perikolez]

I'm just publishing a survey, the opinion of the majority of Catalans, fact it.

Surveys can be manipulated easily. I can make a survey in Cantabria where most "cantabrians" are basque independentist. People asked in surveys are too reduced to be representative, and people who make the survey can manipulate easily the survey to get what they want. You are the only fool who believe in surveys.

[Ouistreham]

If someone had always told you that you should be Europeanist, that the European Union is where you belong and that out of it there's only void and chaos, it's natural that many people don't like the idea. PC Catalan nationalism has always been pro-European, pro-melting pot and all those things.

Additional reasons not to support them
Raisons de plus pour ne pas les supporter

I don't know about the history of Occitan, but regarding Catalan in France, I can indeed post dozens of rules, bills and actions banning Catalan since the very moment Northern Catalonia was given to France.

Just find me one, a serious one.
Lots of fakes have been published.

[Lábaru]

Next survey you will post:

96% Catalans said they'd rather be Spanish than kill themselves. This proves that they feel Spanish deep in their hearts.

your condition of Cataliban does not let you accept the democratic opinion of others.

I can make a survey in Cantabria where most "cantabrians" are basque independentist. .

Hehe I'd like to see it, would certainly be epic.

[Peyrol]

Next survey you will post:

96% Catalans said they'd rather be Spanish than kill themselves. This proves that they feel Spanish deep in their hearts.

..ed il rimanente 4%...?

[Comte Arnau]

Additional reasons not to support them
Raisons de plus pour ne pas les supporter

Actually I support to get free from that PCism, as most of it is probably used as a strategy. In words that are not mine: I want a State to stop being a nationalist.

Just find me one, a serious one.
Lots of fakes have been published.

You mean, a graphic sample?

This edict by Louis XIV banning the Catalan language in Northern Catalonia in 1700 is quite clear and not a fake at all, don't you think?



The whole chronology of the repression of the Catalan language in both France and Spain from 1561 to 2012 is very well studied and attested.

your condition of Cataliban does not let you accept the democratic opinion of others.

Whatever you say. I was an Iberianist in my times at school. Spaniards themselves convinced me later in life not to be one any more, there was hardly any need for indoctrination.

Last week I was talking with a couple from Valladolid who've been living here for only seven years and they already favour independence. Man, they didn't go to school here, they've just got eyes and a critical spirit, they judge things first hand.

Anyway, times to waste our time talking about it have gone. No more pseudodialogues, we've been fools for way too long.

..ed il rimanente 4%...?

Non sa / Non risponde.

[Lábaru]

Whatever you say. I was an Iberianist in my times at school. Spaniards themselves convinced me later in life not to be one any more, there was hardly any need for indoctrination.

Last week I was talking with a couple from Valladolid who've been living here for only seven years and they already favour independence. Man, they didn't go to school here, they've just got eyes and a critical spirit, they judge things first hand.

Anyway, times to waste our time talking about it have gone. No more pseudodialogues, we've been fools for way too long.

Surely they was faked their support for independence because they had fear of your reaction, in the massive celebration of the National Day of Spain the last October 12 in Cataluña some agressive independentist assaulted with violence a little boy and his father who were celebrating peacefully their Spanish sentiment.

the Catalan government has already stated that are willing to use the regional police as a weapon, many Spanish people feel insecure in the anti democratic situation of Catalonia.