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    Albanian was demonstrated to be an Indo-European language in 1854 by the philologist Franz Bopp.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=5hO...page&q&f=false

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospodine View Post
    They share more than that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund

    They're not "cognates" by the way. The word cognate implies a descended word derived from a familial relationship between two languages.

    What you guys are referring to are predominantly Latin loan words between Balkan Romance, Balkan Slavic, Albanian and Greek.
    While Albanian and Romanian indeed share Latin loanwords, the fact that albanian also share cognates with substratum in romanian remains.

    What this theory fails to account for, however, is another key aspect of the Albanian language's connection with Latin: its intimate involvement in the development of the Vlach-Romanian language. Linguists have long been aware that Albanian and Romanian have many features in common, in matters of structure, vocabulary and idiom, and that these must have arisen in two ways. First, the 'substratum' of Romanian (that is, the language spoken by the proto-Romanians before they switched to Latin) must have been similar to Albanian; and secondly, there must have been close contact between Albanians and early Romanian-speakers over a long period, involving a shared pastoral life. (Some key elements of the pastoral vocabulary in Romanian are borrowed from Albanian.) [63] The substratum elements include both structural matters, such as the positioning of the definite article as a suffix on the end of the noun, and various elements of primitive Balkan pre-Latin vocabulary, such as copil ('child' in Romanian) or kopil ('bastard child' in Albanian). [64] If the links between the two languages were only at substratum level, this might not imply any geographical proximity - it would merely show that proto-Albanian was similar to other varieties of Illyrian spoken elsewhere. But the pastoral connections do indicate that Albanians and early Romanians lived for a long time in the same (or at least overlapping) areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finşaų View Post
    Albanian was demonstrated to be an Indo-European language in 1854 by the philologist Franz Bopp.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=5hO...page&q&f=false
    Yes but todays world renoun scholars rashka and guapo-vic would disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drawing-live View Post
    Just posted some along these lines discussing with duke yesterday..
    48 linguists have agreed last week that albanian language its not only indo-european but one of the most interesting languages in europe that could play crucial role into understanding other european languages and their origins?
    Is it total coincidence that hitler thought exact same thing?
    Dont think so.
    ("hitler on albanians" thread i posted while back)
    Can you link sources to that?I don't think it is so crucial and archaic as Lithuanian.You are just exaggerating.Despite that genetically the input from proto-Albanian/Illyrian speakers is minor in comparison with Pre-Illyrian Balkanoid people.

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    How you say in albanian what the hour is - from what I saw- is identical to romanian,as how you use the words.
    Look at this:
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    romanian portocala - albanian portokall

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    Quote Originally Posted by romanul View Post
    How you say in albanian what the hour is - from what I saw- is identical to romanian,as how you use the words.
    Look at this:
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    romanian portocala - albanian portokall
    Both from Greek πορτοκάλι, I would assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romanul View Post
    How you say in albanian what the hour is - from what I saw- is identical to romanian,as how you use the words.
    Look at this:
    orange:
    romanian portocala - albanian portokall
    Both the words derive from Greek portokalos and are shared with other languages too, f.e. Neapolitan purtuallo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romanul View Post
    How you say in albanian what the hour is - from what I saw- is identical to romanian,as how you use the words.
    Look at this:
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    romanian portocala - albanian portokall
    What the hour is-Sa eshte ora

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanuni View Post
    Can you link sources to that?I don't think it is so crucial and archaic as Lithuanian.You are just exaggerating.Despite that genetically the input from proto-Albanian/Illyrian speakers is minor in comparison with Pre-Illyrian Balkanoid people.
    And i think you're just being modest:d this was on top chanel news the other day, should be somehwere at balkanweb gazeta shqiptare etc but i'll try to finded later when i've a little more time.
    Ok it might have been 38 instead of 48 linguists now that im trying

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    Quote Originally Posted by safinator View Post
    What the hour is-Sa eshte ora
    I'm assuming "Sa" is probably Turkish-derived because that word is similiar in Balkan Slavic. From the Arabic "Saat" meaning hour:
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/saat

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