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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Turkey interferes anything happens in it`s sphere of political influence, regardless of what, especially if that particular event would result with an increased political power in favor of Greece or any other Balkan state who is hostile to Turkey.

    They said same thing as you wrote here, when Greece invaded Cyprus and Turkey kicked them out from there in 48h. Greeks was crying a river and calling for quit NATO membership but they shut their mouths after some time.
    I doubt Turkey would intervene to another NATO country like Albania over Macedonia because Turkey and Albania are more close allies today than Turkey and Macedonia is, but I don't think Turkey would openly support Albanian seperatism in Macedonia either unlike what happened in Kosova. Cyprus is a different case where ethnic Turks were under persecution and was justified by our side in accordance with violation of treaties signed by Turkey, Greece, Cypus aswell as the UK by the Greek Cypriot side. Nobody recognizes Northern Cyprus simply because the United Nations (puppet organization of superpowers) prevents them from doing so, but meantime they can't really do anything about it except from refusing to recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Btw Turkish Macedonians doesn't get any benefit for the increased Albanian influence in Macedonia. All the so-called minority rights works in favor of Albos while indirectly fastening the assimilation of Turks in there.
    I agreed till the end . But I won't address this since it's been discussed before between us.



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    Quote Originally Posted by iNird View Post
    Turkey does what is best for themselves. You can't blame them. All you can do is learn from it.
    They were selling military equipment while we were in war with them, I have all the right to blame them, in the other hand they were acting like brothers. I mostly blame many albanians here who imagine Turkey as a loyal friend and they they even like them. Turks investment here are only in the macedonian side, they havent invest in our side even a euro, it was in our medias ironicly (with us they share the love and with mocedonians the money) thats what they do. Its very stupid to be such a strong ally to macedonia bcs of Greece, what the hell such idiot country.

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    Don Arb, this might be the case for Macedonia but don't worry, Turkey also fully supports Albanian and Kosovar state for the similar reasons. Turkey acts similarly if anything bad happens to Albania and Kosova and support them against Greece and Serbia.

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    Onur do you know that in Gostivar and other albanian municipalities turkish language for the first time is the third official language since albanian got to govern them?! Stupid albanians see turkish element with nostalgy here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Arb View Post
    They were selling military equipment while we were in war with them, I have all the right to blame them, in the other hand they were acting like brothers. I mostly blame many albanians here who imagine Turkey as a loyal friend and they they even like them. Turks investment here are only in the macedonian side, they havent invest in our side even a euro, it was in our medias ironicly (with us they share the love and with mocedonians the money) thats what they do. Its very stupid to be such a strong ally to macedonia bcs of Greece, what the hell such idiot country.
    Onur actually explained it well. It is Turkey's interest to support Macedonia due to the geopolitics involved. Turkey isn't a stupid country, they know what they are doing.... nor is Turkey obliged to help out Albanian areas. Don't be so naive...

    And Albanian lapdogs in Macedonia are the one to blame for being so naive. Turkish support in Macedonia goes against Albanian interests, I have definitely posted such a thing before....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Arb View Post
    Onur do you know that in Gostivar and other albanian municipalities turkish language for the first time is the third official language since albanian got to govern them?! Stupid albanians see turkish element with nostalgy here
    This is quite natural but this is happening because of Turkey`s support but not because of Albanian gratitude towards the Turks.

    This is natural because the Turkish element as you called, was the prime element in there for about 500 years. You cannot erase our history in Macedonia by planting Albanian flags on top of Ottoman era buildings and reduce Turkish people`s status to the level of gypsies just because you Albanians are more populous in there today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    This is quite natural but this is happening because of Turkey`s support but not because of Albanian gratitude towards the Turks.

    This is natural because the Turkish element as you called, was the prime element in there for about 500 years. You cannot erase our history and reduce their status to the level of gypsies just because you Albanians are more populous in there today.
    These Turks in Gostivar/Tetova are Turkofils my friend. The real turks who mostly left were in Eastern Macedonia....

    During 1997 the mayor of Gostivar raised the Albanian and Turkish flag next to one another out of respect for the "Turkish" minority. It wasn't done for the 500 year element or reducing you to gypsies. More done out of some political bs respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNird View Post
    Onur actually explained it well. It is Turkey's interest to support Macedonia due to the geopolitics involved. Turkey isn't a stupid country, they know what they are doing....

    And Albanian lapdogs are the one to blame for being so naive.
    I got his point and I totally disagree, in the albanian-macedonian conflict, it was not in danger the territorial integrity of the country, albanians didnt fight for it but for political right so in that case Turkey shouldnt have been worried that Greece or Bulgaria may benefit from it.
    We got support from all the western countries bcs everybody understood that Macedonia could not exist as a country with the old political regime, only the opposite can make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNird View Post
    Onur actually explained it well. It is Turkey's interest to support Macedonia due to the geopolitics involved. Turkey isn't a stupid country, they know what they are doing.... nor is Turkey obliged to help out Albanian areas. Don't be so naive...

    And Albanian lapdogs in Macedonia are the one to blame for being so naive. Turkish support in Macedonia goes against Albanian interests, I have definitely posted such a thing before....
    Which geopolitiic or economic interests have TR in F.Y.R.O.M?
    Tha albanian inhabited area is ~50 000km² and the Albanians ~5,5 Mio people.
    Its more logic to have good connections with albanian area or Republic of Albania than with de facto 1,3 Mio Slavs in F.Y.R.O.M.
    Turkey support F.Y.R.O.M because its a thing against Greece.
    Thats the only reason I think. The turkish businessmens (for example turkish airport ''alexander the great'' in skopje) do only their homeworks and make money (Greek busniessmens do this to... for example VERO supermarket), but Turkey support F.Y.R.O.M because its against Greece.









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