Homosexuality is a Choice According to Science

[Ghost Knight]

lol &
Men who do that become wife-beaters / very abusive. Fact.
It doesn't work that way.

Proof

[Stefan]

There is quite obviously a biological component.
As there is a quite obvious language componant in math (you need to understand what the problem is asking from you). But the essence is geography, not biology just as the essence is math, not languages.

In the end your point is a semantic argument and irrelevant. Biologists are the ones who compare the sociological implications of humans and other species. It is as much of a science as the rest of biology.

Nature doesn't have a behavior nor does it have a view.

So... you don't agree with ANY laws made by scientists like Darwin, Newton, Lavoisier, etc?

Having a behavior isn't the same thing as having laws. Behavior requires a choice and Newton for example, was a determinist. That means everything is predetermined from the start to the end. Behavior is a quality of life, and shouldn't be attributed to non-living things, with exceptions. Now if we talk about one aspect of nature, such as humans, then yes there is behavior and humans don't all fall within one behavior. There has to be variation in nature for natural selection and evolution to work. That is the whole basis of the theory.

There are underlying patterns to nature, but that doesn't mean there is an ultimate behavior.

Yes, there is. We are quite close in discovering it. It's called String Theory.

String theory has absolutely no empirical evidence. It's not science.

What is right to us?

That is up to politics.

There is huge discrepancy in just one paragraph. First, you say "Nature doesn't have a behavior nor does it have a view." and now you say that if natural laws, which could be seen as a particular view (nature's view), will always be enforced.

Nature, in its entirety, isn't some conscious being that as freedom of choice. It is governed by laws that give it essentially no choice. Aspects of nature have decisions and choices to make in order to compete with other aspects of nature, but that's it.

So... you must be thinking: Why did we discuss about normality and nature?

Answer: Simple. It's just like evaluating something. For instance: when a guy wants a loan, the bank do a research: If the guy has been in the same work place for over 10 years, good for him. But if the guy already failed to pay a previous loan, then bad for him. In the end, if the good things outnumber the bad things, then he gets the loan, if not, he doesn't. I basically consider going against nature a bad thing in which we should count on as an argument. Simple as that. By no means just because something isn't normal in the views of nature I mean that it is already decided.

I think anything that manifests itself naturally, will be subjected to the statistical laws of nature. We don't need to forcefully adhere to nature, because we already adhere to it. While, for example, we are much less involved in natural selection, it is replaced by artificial and social selection: traits emphasized only in human beings. This does not mean nature doesn't have its role, it's just that a different aspect of nature, we, determine it.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Proof

Wife-beating is gay.

[PetiteParisienne]

Homosexuality isn't normal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Ok, if we must get into semantics...The word 'normal' carries a connotation that anything that deviates from it is unhealthy. So perhaps the better word would have been 'average'.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Ok, if we must get into semantics...The word 'normal' carries a connotation that anything that deviates from it is unhealthy. So perhaps the better word would have been 'average'.

Average is also incorrect. How irritating. How can you be so PC?

[Jedthehumanoid]

Average is also incorrect. How irritating. How can you be so PC?

I'd much rather be abnormal than average.

[PetiteParisienne]

Average is also incorrect. How irritating. How can you be so PC?

Perhaps I'm still being misunderstood. I meant that homosexuality is NOT average, that 'average' is a better word to use to describe heterosexuality due to the connotations carried by 'normal'. Easy does it, ok? No need to call me PC.

[Bonita]

Homosexuality is abnormal, because heterosexuality is the norm. There is the clue. I really don't like stating the obvious over and over again.

It's a natural abnormality, as is left-handedness, and as such, it is not a choice.

Left-handed children were earlier forced to use their right hand in school. The transition from left to right was succesful and the children became right-handed with time. I know one man who became so exclusively right-handed that he later didn't even want to lift a beer glass with his left as an adult.

Do you by this comparison mean that homosexuality is as easy to change as left-handedness?

[Frigga]

Left-handed children were earlier forced to use their right hand in school. The transition from left to right was succesful and the children became right-handed with time. I know one man who became so exclusively right-handed that he later didn't even want to lift a beer glass with his left as an adult.

Do you by this comparison mean that homosexuality is as easy to change as left-handedness?

On the left handedness track, my uncle is ambidextrous, and when in school his teacher forced him to learn how to write with his right hand. He still writes right handed, but in everything else, he is a lefty.

[PetiteParisienne]

On the left handedness track, my uncle is ambidextrous, and when in school his teacher forced him to learn how to write with his right hand. He still writes right handed, but in everything else, he is a lefty.

My grandfather was the same. He was born a lefty, but was forced to write with his right hand in school. After that training, he did everything left-handed with the exception of writing.