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    Default The Bulgarian Eagean city of Kavala

    This video makes me so sad. People were sure that bright future for Bulgaria is bound to happen...only if they knew what was waiting us after the war.



    Kavala - the door of Bulgaria for the Southern, warm seas.

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    Interesting Petros makes no comment about Bulgarian claims, but thumbs down all my posts...hmmmm must be his 'whiff of Bulgarian'.....

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    Aegean sea coast = fresh oranges, twice more tourists and twice as much butthurt derp.

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    Your Orthodox Christian Serb and Greek brothers have been bothered and jaleous of your 'Prussian' attitudes and efficiencies in the first Balkan War.
    That's why they united against you (they viewed in you the crypto Turkic Bulgar blood and identity).

    Turks saved Edirne in the meantime and you lost your access to the warm seas.

    Greeks, inferior to you in reality, took your lands.

    Had Bulgaria kept its Aegean possessions, it'd have become a strategically very important country, fully controlling the inter-continental transit road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    Interesting Petros makes no comment about Bulgarian claims, but thumbs down all my posts...hmmmm must be his 'whiff of Bulgarian'.....

    nobody made claims. the greek borders are very realistic and OK like they are at the moment. However, back during this time that wasn't the case but not the germans won the war, so there is no point to discuss.

    this is not comparable with FYROM. FYROM is artificial and will soon cease to exist.

    if germany would have won the war. Bulgaria would have been the most dominant force by far in the Balkans and the things would have been the same again like before the Ottoman Empire (minus Byzanz)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehmet View Post
    Your Orthodox Christian Serb ... brothers

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    This video makes me so sad. People were sure that bright future for Bulgaria is bound to happen...only if they knew what was waiting us after the war.
    It makes me sad too, just as it makes me sad the fate of Greeks in all neighbouring countries. Greeks have suffered more than any other ethnicity in the region. They had to suffer forcible expulsions, famine and genocide, not once, not twice.

    Don't blame the Greeks for the mess in Balkans, blame the Turks.

    Greeks, inferior to you in reality, took your lands.

    So Bulgarians had occupied the region before but how does that make it automatically theirs by conviniently ignoring all past history?

    The region was under Ottoman occupation. Greeks did not annex a chunk of Macedonia and Thrace. They simply integrated the Macedonian land with the motherland after hundreds of years of separation from foreign occupation.

    The Macedonian and Thracian land they were able to integrate with the mainland was not land taken from the Serbs or Bulgarians, but legally and historically theirs. Never at any time did it belong to anyone else but only “belonged” to someone else via occupation but became free and Greek again.

    Kavala - History:

    The city was founded by settlers from Thassos about at the end of the 7th century BC, who called it Neapolis (Νεάπολις; "new city" in Greek). It was one of the colonies that the Thassians founded in the coastline, in order to take advantage of the rich gold and silver mines of the territory, especially the ones that were located to the nearby Pangaion mountain (which were eventually exploited by Phillip the Second of Macedonia).

    The worship of "Parthenos", a female deity of Greek - Ionian origin is archaeologically attested in the archaic period. At the end of the 6th century BC Neapolis claimed its independence from Thassos and cut its own silver coins with the head of Gorgo (γοργὀνειο) at the one side as a symbol. At the beginning of the 5th century BC a large ionic temple from thassian marble replaced the archaic one. Parts of it can now be seen in the archaeological museum of Kavala.

    In 411 BC, during the Peloponnesian War, Neapolis was sieged by the allied armies of the Spartans and the Thassians, but remained faithful to Athens. Two athenian honorary decrees in 410 and 407 BC rewarded Neapolis for its loyalty. Neapolis was a town of Macedonia, and the harbor of Philippi, from which it was distant 14 km (9 mi). Neapolis was a member of the Athenian League, as a pillar found in Athens mentions a contribution of Neapolis to the alliance.

    Byzantine Era

    In the 6th century Byzantine emperor Justinian I fortified the city in an effort to protect it from barbaric raids. In later Byzantine times the city was called Christoupolis (Χριστούπολις, "city of Christ") and belonged to the theme of Macedonia. The first mention of the new name is recorded in a taktikon of the early 9th century. The city is also mentioned in the "Life of St. Gregory the Decapolite". In the 8th and 9th century Bulgarian attacks forced the Byzantines to reorganize the defense of the area, giving great care to Christoupolis with fortification and a notable garrison. In 926 the Byzantine general (stratigos) Vasilios Klaudon reconstructed the fallen walls of the city, ("τα πριν φθαρέντα και πεπτωκότα τείχη") according to an inscription that is now in the archaeological museum of Kavala. Due to the location of Christoupolis, the city experienced an economic flourish, securing the contact between Constantinople and Thessaloniki. During the Norman raid of Macedonia in 1185, the city was captured and was burned. In 1302, the Catalonians failed to capture the city. In order to prevent them from coming back, the Byzantine emperor Andronikos III Palaiologos built a new long defensive wall ("το παρά την Χριστούπολιν τείχισμα"). In 1357 is mentioned that the Byzantine officers and brothers Alexios and Ioannis (John) controlled the city and its territory. Recent excavations have revealed the ruins of an early Byzantine basilica under an old Ottoman mosque in the old part of the city (Panagia peninsula). This Christian temple was used until the late Byzantine era, as the also recently revealed small cemetery around it shows. The Ottoman Turks first captured the city in 1387 and completely destroyed it in 1391, as a Mount Athos chronicle testifies.

    Not so long ago, I posted a number of ethnographic maps of 19th century Macedonia that can be found, of all places, in the officiala VMRO site.

    And as far as the Greeks in the real Macedonia in say 1911,
    read the following:

    Encyclopedia Britania 1911
    © by PageWise, Inc.

    MACEDONIA

    BIBLI0GRAPHY.—Jewitt and Hope, Corporation Plaic and Insignia of
    Office,
    &c. (2 vols., 1895); J. R. Garstin, Irish State and Civic Maces, &c.
    (1898); J. Paton, Scottish Historyand Life (1902); J. H. Buck, Old
    Plate
    (1903), pp. 124—140; Cripps, Old English Plate (9th ed., 1906),
    pp.
    394—404; E. Alfred Jones, Old Plate at the Tower of London
    (1908); ed., “
    Some Historic Silver Maces,” Burlington Magazine (Dec. 1908).
    (E. A. J.)
    snip

    In Salonica, Serres, Kavala, Castoria, and
    other towns in southern Macedonia the Hellenic element is strong; in
    the northern towns it is insignIficant, except at Melnik, which is
    almost exclusively Greek. The Greek rural population extends from the
    Thessalian frontier to Castoria and Verria (Beroea); it occupies the
    whole Chalcidian peninsula and both banks of the lower Strymon from
    Serres to the sea, and from Nigrita on the west to Pravishta on the
    east; there are also numerous Greek villages in the Kavala district.
    The Mahommedan Greeks, known as Valachides, occupy a
    considerable tract in the upper Bistritza valley near Grevena and
    Liapsista.
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