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    Is Praha really that beautiful? Maybe I should visit it one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    If we follow this logic of Czechs being Slavicized Germans, then we can just as easily say that Germans are Germanized Slavs

    Notice how no German will identify as a Slav, but westernmost Slavs will identify as Germanic since it's "cool".
    Yeah that`s true. In Austria even the people with names like
    Novotny, Janda, Prohaska or Pospisil would feel offended if you call them Slavic.
    In most cases they would feel ÜberGerman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    If we follow this logic of Czechs being Slavicized Germans, then we can just as easily say that Germans are Germanized Slavs

    Notice how no German will identify as a Slav, but westernmost Slavs will identify as Germanic since it's "cool".
    Well the two overlap in Eastern Germany, Poland, Czechia and Austria because the boundaries between the two shifted so much and there was a lot of assimilation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ficuscarica View Post
    Is Praha really that beautiful? Maybe I should visit it one day.
    it is really believe me the most beautiful to me

    and Ive been almost everywhere in Europe + Turkey

    you should you really should !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayazid View Post
    Even today, many Czechs have German surnames, even if there is nothing German about them or their recent ancestry.
    The finest example:




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    Quote Originally Posted by ficuscarica View Post
    Is Praha really that beautiful? Maybe I should visit it one day.
    Yes it is definitly worth a visit. It has also much to offer in terms of sights and history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Well the two overlap in Eastern Germany, Poland, Czechia and Austria because the boundaries between the two shifted so much and there was a lot of assimilation.
    you are right
    everyone had an impact on each

    look on east germans how do they look like

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    I choose western Europe, despite it can be dubious at best. For this I choose more reasons. Firstly, it is well known that Czech kingdom was in middle ages firmly part of sphere of Holy Roman Empire. Let us only remember about Ottokar Premysel politics in other parts of empire, his relationship with house of Spanheim. And also for example Vaclav or Wenceslau von Luxemburg who was king of Bohemia etc. Prague was also for some time capital of Holy Roman Empire and it's university was founded in 1348 was founded by the same Vaclav, but it taken his royal name and this is Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor. Another reason for this is that Czech territory was always part of western and not eastern Christianity.

    Now let's go further. Like I written before in some other threads, Eastern Europe in nowadays sense is firmly legacy of Communism and iron curtain. In this case Czech republic is part of eastern Europe since legacy of socialism it not completely vanish and even after transition some elements are left. If not anything else, ex-communist countries without any doubt have developed similarities since they have all been under similar regimes.

    Ideal term would be of course central Europe and I will say several things why. Firstly, I need to underline the fact that I don't agree with Rusty that central Europe is a concept of those who are ashamed of being eastern European. It was firstly part of mittleuropa concept of German military plans, but it has been also many times revisited for example by Oscar Jaszi, despite he used the term Danube Europe, but in his mind was the same territory. Regarding the question about which countries are a part of eastern Europe and how can we define it they are several variations of which some I will describe:

    1) Countries which used to be a part of Habsburg empire
    2) Countries which were connected with Holy Roman Empire
    3) Eastern countries which are part of western Christianity

    In my opinion all three concepts are true and they are connected with each other. Firstly, because Habsburg empire was heir of Holy Roman Empire, of which Habsburgs were last dynasty. Secondly, Holy Roman Empire did many times expand on the east, for example Teutonic knights and their ''crusades'' in Poland, struggles for getting crowns of Hungary and Bohemians, diplomatic missions of Maximilian I. And Charles V. to Poland and even Russia, connection of nobility of Hungary and some Austrians lands were even with nobility from Bosnia and Serbia, for example Ulrich from house of counts of Cilli was married with daughter of Serbian despot and so on. So here like I also said already borders aren't neither clear and strict.

    However I still think that countries in centre in the east of Europe which were part of western and central European cultural sphere cannot be place in the same line with orthodox countries which have had other influences and diplomatic contacts of them with west was not very common. Czech is in that part clearly not eastern Europe , even Poland and Baltic countries can be debatable. However there was still large Russian influence and long presence.

    For the end I would say that all of you shall read the book Inventing eastern Europe by Larry Wolff which is written by serious academic and is very insightful.
    Present Western "civilization" awaits a substantial upheaval (rivolgimento), without which it is destined, sooner or later, to smash its own head. It has carried out the most complete perversion of the rational order of things. Reign of matter, gold, machines, numbers. -Julius Evola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayazid View Post
    That's true. There used to be a very big German community here before the WW2. Actually, there were more Germans than Slovaks in Czechoslovakia. Even today, many Czechs have German surnames, even if there is nothing German about them or their recent ancestry.

    We are kind of Slavic speaking Austro/Germans (even if some people here wouldn't acknowledge that), perhaps a bit like Slovenians.
    Before the second world war there was a huge German speaking minority in Bohemia and Moravia - the so called "Sudetendeutsche" But due to the Beneš-Dekrete they had to leave the Czech Republic and their belongings were confiscated. It was a retribution act.
    As a result most Germans left the Czech Republic but those Germans who pledged their alliance to the new Czechoslovakian state received the permission to stay but they had to abolish the use of the German language and traditions but were allowed to keep their German name.

    This is the Sudetendeutschen flag:

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    I say westerner because they were part of the Holy Roman Empire for most of its history and 50 years of communism doesnt change a goddamn thing. Whoever say's there are easterners is moron. Just because they are Slavs doesnt mean they are automatically eastern european in culture, that's buffoonish.

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