The Vlachs in Bosnia

[Stefan_Dusan]

But it is still slightly piquant to think, when one hears so-called right-wing Russian politicians talking about the need to defend their ancient Slav brothers in Bosnia, that the one component of the Bosnian population which has a large and identifiable element of non-Slav ancestry is the Bosnian Serbs.[/B]

http://www.farsarotul.org/nl16_1.htm

This is a garbage, pro-Bosnian, anti-Serbian, stupid written paragraph. Why are you spreading it?

[Scholarios]

This is a garbage, pro-Bosnian, anti-Serbian, stupid written paragraph. Why are you spreading it?

Actually, I don't have some negative feeling about Vlachs as Serbs so I dont mean to spread it as a negative thing. It's created by Greek Vlachs. He also says many Muslims are descendant of Vlachs as well.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Northern Albania ( including southern montenengro, northwestern fyrom, western kosovo) has never been an original heartland of Vlachs. The centers of Vlachs in Balkans used to be Hercegovina ( northern montenengro too), southeastern serbia, parts of bulagaria and fyrom, thessalia and in the ottoman times vlachs expanded in southern albania too.

by paternal haplogroups, Herzegovina is the most slavic area. I2a2b is 70+% in some parts. The best marker of the Vlachs is J2* and this is no more 10% in Serbian lands.

[Kastrioti1443]

by paternal haplogroups, Herzegovina is the most slavic area. I2a2b is 70+% in some parts. The best marker of the Vlachs is J2* and this is no more 10% in Serbian lands.

This is the strange thing with Hercegovina... it is indeed with average 60-65% I2a2, but it is well documented that Vlachs had their center there...probably slavic males were assimilated with the passing of time.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Actually, I don't have some negative feeling about Vlachs as Serbs so I dont mean to spread it as a negative thing. It's created by Greek Vlachs. He also says many Muslims are descendant of Vlachs as well.

The person is saying Serbs are not slavs, and even clearly hints Russians should support Bosnian Muslims over Serbs. I have no idea why Greek Vlachs want to say this about us, but we are not Vlachs, and we don't care to have any connection with them other than friendships in the case of Romania etc.

[Stefan_Dusan]

This is the strange thing with Hercegovina... it is indeed with average 60-65% I2a2, but it is well documented that Vlachs had their center there...probably slavic males were assimilated with the passing of time.

They did, but Serbs were specifically given Herzegovina by the Byzantines and maybe this pushed out many. Remember that Herzegovina was the center of Serbs in medieval time, from where Serbs spread to rest of the Balkans. Many Serbs have legends of going back ultimately to Herzegovina. This is the reason when Serbian language was standardized, it was Herzegovinian dialect chosen, because it's considered the most 'pure' Serbian speak, and the dialect in eastern Serbia to be very Bulgarian and Romanian influenced.

[Insuperable]

I read on one Croatian forum where some Pannonians Croats claim how Dalmatia was a true Balto-Slavic region before Vlach migrations.

[Stefan_Dusan]

I read on one Croatian forum where some Pannonians Croats claim how Dalmatia was a true Balto-Slavic region before Vlach migrations.

It doesn't matter what they once were. What matters is what it became. Byzantines settled Serbian and Croatian warrior families there in exchange for our military service against the Avars. As you know, the Herzegovinians don't seem to plot all that differently compared to Croats from Zagreb, I would say the major difference is more "western" plotting for them.

[Kastrioti1443]

Another thing to be mentioned is that areas where Vlachs settled are quiet dark. However what it is interesting is that Hercegovinians as a whole are probably the tallest people in europe, but they are dark, in general Dinaro-med with CM. On the other hand the vlachs in southern albania or other regions such as Myzeqe are exotic too, but they are short and very alpinoid influenced

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Northern Albania also Kosova wasn't centerpoint of Vlachs but Bosnia territory was known, while in present day Vlach DNA is carried by Serb peasants en-masse also traditional orthodox faith was main point why they've kept mixing more with Serbs than other nation in Balkans.