Karin Mark on Mongoloid origins of Estonians

[ikki]

My oh my.

The text was in russian, that established this "mongol index".
Too bad we cannot establish whether this is a real researcher, or the validity of the methods or what exactly happened with the sampling.

But your reaction is quite something.

IF this Karin Mark is valid, then this is groundbreaking research. Such either is borrowed if valid.. and thus should spread, or if cookery, stays exactly where it is: in russian on some nameless server.

And then this "this is about estonians being mongol bastards". That really did in any credidibility whatsoever your sources had, since evidently that was the purpose of said research aswell?

Thank you and goodnight comrade troll.
Afaik you dont need more than a single year of academic studies to come to those conclusions.

[Äike]

And where is the MI of the Pomors, of various Kazak groups, of the Russians of Perm', of the far southern Russians? All looks pretty incomplete.

Whoever came up with these numbers probably went out of their way to find subjects without a Tatar great grandparent and so on. That's automatically eliminated a good proportion of the Volga population. I won't exaggerate the level of this mixing, but it does exist. I have two good friends with such a background, and it does show a little in the face. It's not really the end of the world to have a dash of this in a population.

21 - 80 is the transitional range? And 25 is the highest Estonian value? Not much to worry about then, anyway. It's minor. And it's just based on phenotype, not blood, so there's plenty of room to explain it by convergent evolution.

Is the so called 'MI' accepted by anyone other than this Mark character?

If you look at Estonia and Russia on the map, then you must realize that the actual "MI" of Russians should be way higher. And lower for Estonians. The creator of this research didn't work very scientifically.

[Hors]

ROFL

Listen, laddie, Karin Mark is an internationally renowned scholar while you're just a hole in an arse.

Science says Estonians are Eurasian mongrels. Deal with it.

[The Lawspeaker]

ROFL

Listen, laddie, Karin Mark is an internationally renowned scholar while you're just a hole in an arse.

Science says Estonians are Eurasian mongrels. Deal with it.

Karin Mark ? Never bloody heard of her. I googled her name and I came up with 0. Some "internationally renowned scholar" if she is not even mentioned on Google.
Your turn !

[Hors]

The text was in russian, that established this "mongol index".

You have the text in English, what's your problem?

Too bad we cannot establish whether this is a real researcher, or the validity of the methods or what exactly happened with the sampling.

Too bad you're too uneducated and retarded to establish it.

But your reaction is quite something.

IF this Karin Mark is valid, then this is groundbreaking research.

Eh? It's known since the early days of anthropology that Finnics are partially Mongoloid. Nothing groundbreaking thus.

Such either is borrowed if valid.. and thus should spread, or if cookery, stays exactly where it is: in russian on some nameless server.

YAWN

And then this "this is about estonians being mongol bastards". That really did in any credidibility whatsoever your sources had, since evidently that was the purpose of said research aswell?

You're racist and have HUGE proble with admitting your Mongol ancestry. Karin Mark is an Estonian scholar without racial prejudice. That's the difference.

Thank you and goodnight comrade troll.

So far only Oswiu tried to debate the topic, and even he made it in a rather trollish way, without presenting something of substance, just asking validity of this and that.

The rest of you are certified trolls.

[Loki]

Too bad you're too uneducated and retarded to establish it.

We can't debate like this, please. It would strengthen your case enormously if you did not use such words. I know it's tempting but it's better not to.

[Basil]

Karin Mark ? Never bloody heard of her. I googled her name and I came up with 0. Some "internationally renowned scholar" if she is not even mentioned on Google.
Your turn !

Karin Mark is great Soviet and then Estonian anthropologist, field-worker devoted herself to study of Finno-Ugrian people. She has died in 2002. I think Estonians could easily find her works in Tallinn's libraries.

[The Lawspeaker]

Karin Mark is great Soviet and then Estonian anthropologist, field-worker devoted herself to study of Finno-Ugrian people. She has died in 2002. I think Estonians could easily find her works in Tallinn's libraries.

But clearly overestimated then as she was remains pretty illusive on the Internet. I invite Estonians to post samples of her work, in English.

[Osweo]

Who cares. They're not Russian.

People with fully Russian names, speech, culture and sympathies are not Russian? Don't be absurd. They are not ancestrally pure Slavyane, sure, but the Russian identity has a little more to it than that.

You hear Karl? The international opinion says Estonians have visible Eurasian traits! LOL

Some Estonians do have a funny 'Elfish' look, that points to the great northern forests, sure. It would be stupid to deny it. But it doesn't mean a connection to the Han Chinese!

If you look at Estonia and Russia on the map, then you must realize that the actual "MI" of Russians should be way higher. And lower for Estonians. The creator of this research didn't work very scientifically.

That's map's a wonderful piece of antiquariat, and I correspondingly saved it to my hard drive. It's about as useful as Madison Grant's very similar looking map that you often see around on the net. Russian 'MI' will vary very widely from place to place, that's obvious.

[ikki]

So far only Oswiu tried to debate the topic, and even he made it in a rather trollish way, without presenting something of substance, just asking validity of this and that.

The rest of you are certified trolls.

Do you have any idea what the academia is about? Certainly you cannot possibly have an education wherein collecting sources played any significant part.
Validity, purpose and sampling are everything when it comes to setting down theories and ever so slowly proving them.


That you deny such are needed, and that this world renowned researcher cannot be found. My field admittedly isnt genetics or anthropology, but please... some standards?

Really.