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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura View Post
    Not everything has a base or purpose and that doesnt make it worthless, why everything should have a base or purpose?! a purpose may have no purpose, it makes sense too
    You don´t even have a basis for the word "worth" without an eternal law of good or bad. On what do you base "worth"? On your feeling? Your reasoning? How can you know that what you feel or think to be of "worth" ultimately isn´t completely worthless or even bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    Some would argue you are God, hence no need for "eternal law/God/being".
    Ok, putting yourself as the absolute. But that is absurde, because I exactly know that I have a beginning and an end - a very small frame of time, and also abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ficuscarica View Post
    You don´t even have a basis for the word "worth" without an eternal law of good or bad. On what do you base "worth"? On your feeling? Your reasoning? How can you know that what you feel or think to be of "worth" ultimately isn´t completely worthless or even bad?
    and what is that etarnal law that gives us the basis for the word 'worth' can it be proven in empirical way? if yes explain if not than its unworthy.

    We already have the definitions what is bad and what is evil according to human experience.

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    Well, there is the idea that all actions are selfish; when someone commits an act of altruism, he/she feels good about himself, and has personal satisfaction at least in some way. But in the end this is unfalsifiable, so I am not very fond of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ficuscarica View Post
    Ultimately moral needs an eternal law/God/being to be based on, or it will be relative and thus, in the end of all questioning, completely baseless.
    Otherwise you just can´t even say why the feeling of pain is morally right or wrong, you just can´t even say why existing is good or bad,
    Actually, there have been pious people of various religions that argued pain and suffering can be a way of learning (thus good) or that compassion can be dangerous if perceived as weakness (thus bad), so the conception of God doesn't change a lot in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    Some would argue you are God, hence no need for "eternal law/God/being".
    Check out my "religion".


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    Morality is transcendental and can not be described purely based on evolution and physical world.
    The very survival of the fittest for example (do not get me wrong I am not against evolution as a mechanism) is in conflict with morality and helping someone with out asking anything in return and without having any agenda behind like helping its own group or yourself directly or indirectly.

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    What i hate is when people say "God". If man created god, and everything he stands for then that means man had a sense of morality before.

    Simple reasoning, we have a conscious, we feel remorse, we have the brain power to rationalize. If we didn't have these basic attributes morality wouldn't mean shit, and we'd be just like every other animal.

    God & Religion are just tools, possessing the qualities we've always had made us what we became.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura View Post
    and what is that etarnal law that gives us the basis for the word 'worth' can it be proven in empirical way? if yes explain if not than its unworthy.

    We already have the definitions what is bad and what is evil according to human experience.
    The God of the bible can be experienced by everyone who truly wants it. So yes, it´s a testable moral.

    Human experience can´t define an absolute good or bad, because it is based on relative, unreliable feelings and thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ficuscarica View Post
    Ok, putting yourself as the absolute. But that is absurde, because I exactly know that I have a beginning and an end - a very small frame of time, and also abilities.
    Some might say that you are an eternal soul whose nature can be made very Godly, but never equal to that Supreme Soul.

    Others might say that you are essentially identical to Brahman.

    I know it all sounds funny, but once one shrugs off the idea of the angry jealous Yahweh, with all his rules and restrictions it can be realised.

    You are not your body or your mind; you are eternal and that can be realised.


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    Morality comes from the teachings of God and His son Jesus Christ.

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